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A very powerful moment in British sport

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scott934 said:
The Premier League? Set rules so clubs can't benefit from cheap foreign labour, don't accept immoral sponsorships from bookies, breweries, payday loan companies etc. While they're on, don't allow immoral people to purchase clubs.
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I agree on every single point, all valid causes, all long overdue, but as I said

"in terms of racial inequality, over-policing of black communities and police brutality what would you have them do?"
 

JL1985 said:
Did any player of the Premier League do anything 2016 when the police actually killed an ex black footballer who actually played in the premier league, Dalian Atkinson?
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That was a really sad case. And as you say, it was reported on, but there was not such a backlash. I think due to existing bad relationships between the police and communities, the actual video coverage evoked a lot of anger which then triggered this series of worldwide protests.
 
bucksoutcast said:
I could not agree more. There seems to be a total lack of awareness that BLM is a political movement. We have heard a lot about "defunding the police" in recent media coverage and this can vary to differing extremes. From redirecting some of police funds to community projects to completing cut off the police from all funding. One of BLM's main objective is to "abolish the police". In reality, can anyone - hand on heart - say this is really practical???
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Exactly. The words "black lives matter" are an obvious truism, no one could argue with them and I've never heard anyone ever suggest anything to the contrary.

However the Black Lives Matter campaign is violent, anarchist, Marxist, and often racist. It beggars belief that the Premier League is falling over themselves to support it.
 
Skippo said:
I agree on every single point, all valid causes, all long overdue, but as I said

"in terms of racial inequality, over-policing of black communities and police brutality what would you have them do?"
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I don't wanna hear preachy things from them until they can sort their own issues out. Maybe they should fund something to allow socially active players to work within black communities, or promote the stories' of players from them communities.

But I think them printing words on a shirt, is just a cynical self promotional tool.
 
dangermows said:
Most are simply focusing on the message. In fact even those now using the other stuff as excuse to mask their prejudice were too, hence it wasn't even mention a couple of weekends back, it was more just "blacks aren't disadvantaged here".

If you mentioned it previously then fair play you.


If that is true, can you give me a reason you'd object to a simple symbolic gesture which is calling for equality? I'm intrigued.
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Because it was done to tick a corporate box, and I instincively dislike anything disingenuous. An empty charade, achieving nowt.
 
dangermows said:
Getting involved? They simply had to kneel to show support for a few seconds.

Suppose players are expected to wear the poppy, yet some, had personal reasons not to want to. And look at the shit they got for it. Were you understanding of McClean choosing not to?
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Totally different!
 
dangermows said:
Most are simply focusing on the message. In fact even those now using the other stuff as excuse to mask their prejudice were too, hence it wasn't even mention a couple of weekends back, it was more just "blacks aren't disadvantaged here".

If you mentioned it previously then fair play you.


If that is true, can you give me a reason you'd object to a simple symbolic gesture which is calling for equality? I'm intrigued.
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I've not even commented on it to be honest, and only really looked into black lives matter about a week ago, but I do think it's an important point.
 
SpiritofBurnden said:
The Premier League has a track record of #tokenism.

I'm not convinced that these stage managed displays are any different.

Let's see whether the Saudi takeover of Newcastle is approved or whether they're actually serious about their stated aims.
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Yes can't wait to see the decision. I'm assuming now they wouldnt be allowing an owner who arranged a hit squad to fly to Turkey to murder a dissident and dismember his body. A country who beheads people for homosexuality, heresy, scorcery, and loads of other crimes. Torture widespread, peusecution of Shi'te Muslims, crucifixion, amputations the list is endless.
 
Hulkster said:
Exactly. The words "black lives matter" are an obvious truism, no one could argue with them and I've never heard anyone ever suggest anything to the contrary.

However the Black Lives Matter campaign is violent, anarchist, Marxist, and often racist. It beggars belief that the Premier League is falling over themselves to support it.
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Do you think the premier league have even looked at the aims of the organisation? I bet they dont see the irony of supporting something that wants to destroy capitalism😉.
 
Hulkster said:
Slavery is still relevant in today's society because there are still actual slaves. Although they are all in Asia and Africa, the places where these protests aren't taking place and where they are not being directed.

The fact that the name of a brand of rice can be traced back to racist attitudes nearly a century ago does not make slavery a relevant issue for people living in western countries today, no. And even if it did, the relevance would be in America, not the UK. I couldn't really give a fig about them changing their name but doing so will certainly not free a single slave, past or present.
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As you say, protests are not always targeted to places where they are really needed. Take Greta Thunberg, she was welcomed here with open arms,lauded and praised by all and everyone took to the streets to protest about green and environmental issues. In reality, as a country we have targets, we are all encouraged to recycle, we are given incentives to buy electrical cars, etc. As a nation, we are pretty environmentally aware. In reality nations such as China should have been targeted, nations that really are having a detrimental impact on the environment and could benefit from some environmental education.

I think the same is happening here. The UK in general is an accepting nation and very inclusive compared to other countries. We are not perfect, but in reality we should take some pride and comfort in the fact that the majority of the UK has taken enormous steps to encourage and drive equality and that we should recognise and appreciate this.
mackemquaker said:
Do you think the premier league have even looked at the aims of the organisation? I bet they dont see the irony of supporting something that wants to destroy capitalism😉.
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It is beyond parody!
 
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CatRyan said:
if all it amounts to is the players taking a knee en masse as a ruling for a few games and nothing further then you're right

it has the power to effect much more profound change though
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Agree, for me what see in the taking a knee and making statement on sky sports is paying lip service to the problem, what Rashford has done is grab the problem and forced a change , no gimmicks
 
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No media hype or luvvey outrage around this particular death in our own country that I can recall. Must be great being in the mainstream media and deciding which injustice you're going to use to yank the chain of the virtue-signalling sheep.
 
bucksoutcast said:
As you say, protests are not always targeted to places where they are really needed. Take Greta Thunberg, she was welcomed here with open arms,lauded and praised by all and everyone took to the streets to protest about green and environmental issues. In reality, as a country we have targets, we are all encouraged to recycle, we are given incentives to buy electrical cars, etc. As a nation, we are pretty environmentally aware. In reality nations such as China should have been targeted, nations that really are having a detrimental impact on the environment and could benefit from some environmental education.

I think the same is happening here. The UK in general is an accepting nation and very inclusive compared to other countries. We are not perfect, but in reality we should take some pride and comfort in the fact that the majority of the UK has taken enormous steps to encourage and drive equality and that we should recognise and appreciate this.


It is beyond parody!
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Greta was welcomed!? Come of it
 
bucksoutcast said:
As you say, protests are not always targeted to places where they are really needed. Take Greta Thunberg, she was welcomed here with open arms,lauded and praised by all and everyone took to the streets to protest about green and environmental issues. In reality, as a country we have targets, we are all encouraged to recycle, we are given incentives to buy electrical cars, etc. As a nation, we are pretty environmentally aware. In reality nations such as China should have been targeted, nations that really are having a detrimental impact on the environment and could benefit from some environmental education.

I think the same is happening here. The UK in general is an accepting nation and very inclusive compared to other countries. We are not perfect, but in reality we should take some pride and comfort in the fact that the majority of the UK has taken enormous steps to encourage and drive equality and that we should recognise and appreciate this.


It is beyond parody!
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Sadly all this is real. In terms of why people comply, imagine if one player had said fcuk this I'm not going to 'virtue signal'. Imagine the outcry. Would be villified
 
Hulkster said:
Slavery is still relevant in today's society because there are still actual slaves. Although they are all in Asia and Africa, the places where these protests aren't taking place and where they are not being directed.

The fact that the name of a brand of rice can be traced back to racist attitudes nearly a century ago does not make slavery a relevant issue for people living in western countries today, no. And even if it did, the relevance would be in America, not the UK. I couldn't really give a fig about them changing their name but doing so will certainly not free a single slave, past or present.
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I thinks slavery is very relevant in today's society, not just in Africa and Asia its very relevant in the west and in particular the UK. it's far more prevalent in the UK than people think.

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