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A very powerful moment in British sport

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RedFlag1308 said:
I think the line is level of public exposure. Something like BLM has dominated public discourse for weeks, to the point where silence is compliance. Neutrality doesn’t exist in something so culturally significant (and not should it).
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There is a huge but silent majority who would challenge the claims of institutionalised racism in the UK. At the very least they would challenge whether it exists to the extent that BLM would suggest. There is also a lot of disagreement around how this should be alleviated. There is also huge contention around what actually constitutes 'equality'. People talk about equality like its an easily identifiable end in itself. It's not. It is far more nuanced than that.
 
T_Bone said:
Please excuse my ignorance but aren’t black people given the same opportunities ? Can you explain what you mean ?
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Do you think black people are less employable because they have a different skin colour ?
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. It's obviously a complicated myriad of reasons why but there is some soul searching to do and understanding why the world works for some more than others.

This isn't targeted at you but it strikes me that there are a lot of white people angry and almost jealous at the fact that there is a focus on improving black people's lives. Maybe its because they think there are strugglers in all communities and everyone's fighting hard, maybe it's racism - but I find it a bit odd that people wanting rights angers others so much.
sambantam82 said:
But your correct recognition of black communities being disproportionately affected by poverty works on another assumption of racism. This narrative ignores the possibility that there are other reasons for this. It's an assumption that will continue to hold black communities back. The only way to redress the balance would be to actively promote black students into top university places and highly paid professions. A radical positive discrimination policy would be the only way to resolve these discrepancies. There needs to be an in depth comparison of like for like black and white university applicants, job applicants, prison sentences, school exclusions etc. Looking at unfavourable outcomes for black people backed by statistics and concluding that this is the result of institutional racism is a very unreliable way of reaching such a conclusion.


If you can't see how the black lives matter movement has hundreds of political implications then you do not understand the implications that the movement is advocating. I suggest you visit their website that urges you to support their 'political movement'.
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It’s not party political should i say. It should be accepted by all parties in line with the human rights act, the UN Convention on the rights of the child. It needs to be enshrined in law and policy and practiced. It’s more a rights campaign movement but obviously to change the system you have to engage with politicians.
 
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BNM said:
Did they have a minute for all the victims of CV-19 as well?
Serious question as I don't have Sky.
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They had less than a minute in both games and the Man City v Arsenal minute's silence was about 40 seconds.
 
scallyban said:
My 8 year old son asked about it and why black lives matter was on the back of all the tops. I did my best to explain and hopefully this will stay with him and shape his attitudes as he grows up. Culture cannot be changed over night but behaviours can be shaped from small but powerful messages and actions.
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I’ll teach my son about what a disgusting football club Liverpool are.:)
 
CEF said:
This kind of mentality is why BLM, and racism, should be kicked into touch.
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Absolutely not. The only people who have a problem with BLM are those who are racist. Normal people don’t have a problem with black people wanting equality. It shouldn’t even be a debate. If you even question it - then you’re a huge bigot and an absolutely shite human being.
 
shirley it can’t be correct that there’s a huge silent majority who deny institutional racism in the UK. I stand kneel to be corrected.
 
chunkylover53 said:
My favourite argument so far has been “I don’t agree with the violence of the protests, they should do this through non violent means. Therefore I don’t agree with this”

absolutely brilliant :lol:
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That wasn't what I said, what I actually said was because of the violence within the protests was what was dividing the country.
Its a bit rich how your sitting there criticising everyone else's opinion that is not the same as yours and preach about equality.
I also said I agreed with the way they protested last night in a peaceful manner if that is what they agreed with.
I dont honestly believe that every footballer on there did agree but they wouldn't really have been able to not join in, so where is the equality in being forced to do something you don't really believe.
I believe in equality, I believe in people being able to protest in a peaceful manner for what they believe in.
I have reservations about the whole BLM
Approach and some of the shit that has been spouted about the changes they would want to make.
Just because they are my beliefs and they aren't the same as yours doesn't me im racist or I'm wrong.
 
Iain said:
That wasn't what I said, what I actually said was because of the violence within the protests was what was dividing the country.
Its a bit rich how your sitting there criticising everyone else's opinion that is not the same as yours and preach about equality.
I also said I agreed with the way they protested last night in a peaceful manner if that is what they agreed with.
I dont honestly believe that every footballer on there did agree but they wouldn't really have been able to not join in, so where is the equality in being forced to do something you don't really believe.
I believe in equality, I believe in people being able to protest in a peaceful manner for what they believe in.
I have reservations about the whole BLM
Approach and some of the shit that has been spouted about the changes they would want to make.
Just because they are my beliefs and they aren't the same as yours doesn't me im racist or I'm wrong.
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You what :lol:

what does opinions have to do with equality?

where did I say you are racist? Hint: I didn’t. Nor even imply it
 
Must admit I feel uneasy at all this forced virtue signalling .
George Floyd a career criminal , with five different prison terms , died in a way yet to be determined by a court . This happened in a country thousands of miles away , and is of no significance to most people .
I am then accused of "white privilege " which again is something I do not understand . Is a person from a single parent family , educated at a poor comprehensive school , living in the North East more privileged than a wealthy , university educated BAME person from Surrey ?
Surely BAME people from Europe and the USA are more privileged than 90% of Chinese , Indians , Africans and South Americans .
There is an often repeated line on Radio 5,s "Fighting Talk " which is " I did not come on this show for a lecture on communism " and the same thought process applies when I watch sport I do not want a parade of virtue signalling .
Will sporting events have to start half an hour earlier to give enough for all our outpourings of pleas for atonement and understanding ?
Sorry but I am baffled by this whole over reaction
We live in a country where thousands of children have been gang raped , which produced barely a murmur from the left . Then a career criminal dies in the State's , and thousands take to the streets .
What is going on ?
 
StrangerThings said:
Why are people so against the Black Lives Matter campaign? Can people tell me why it bothers them so much?
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Because they're racist. Literally nothing else to it other than that.

They'll tell you they aren't racist, and that their best mate is black though. Says it all that people are 'sick of seeing/hearing about it'
ungowa said:
Whatever the rights or wrongs of what happened and its consequences

I'm f***ing sick of having the bastard rammed down my throat
Just fuck right off.
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