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A very powerful moment in British sport

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I mean, if you don't want the police refunded I think your issue is more with the last ten years of government rather than the current protests.

Mind the protests seem to have picked up American complaints that don't apply here, defunding the police is one of them.
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In the US refunding the police is sensible. They're decked out like a militia in many places, the money could be used for schools and hospitals. Here it is much more even between police and similar organisations, like health service and firemen. It's just not a fair comparison.
 
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In the week that Rashford secured meals for starving kids this summer and with all the activism from black footballers related to speaking out against police brutality this comment doesn't hit like it used to.

Besides, would you prefer them not to speak out at all or are you saying that if they kneeled for sweatshops and had shirts that said "Asian Lives Matter" you'd be okay with it?

Fair play to Rashford, I praised him several times on here relating to his school meals campaign and the fact he has raised a lot of £££ early on in the lockdown.

please don't give me the inequality speeches when they're earning 200k a week, and wearing kit made in appalling conditions in Asia for example, it's very hypocritical. Of course they can speak out, I just find some aspects a tad hypocritical.
 
I'm sure nee fucker is gonna read this or let their mind be changed but "defund the police" varies from complete abolishment (batshit mental) to reducing amount spent on police and instead invest in mental health services, invest in education and training for impoverished communities and to invest in community engagement which could end up treating the root of the cause, not the symptoms, which isn't as mental as it first sounds.
 
Yes I do,
Then we have a forum were people are discussing a topic and anyone who doesn't agree with what happened last night is being called a racist.
Not really equality when some people are judged in that way just because they don't agree with others
So you have no problem with what the Premier League did yesterday? Given it was non violent (unlike the protests), and promotes equality?

good news
 
I'm sure nee fucker is gonna read this or let their mind be changed but "defund the police" varies from complete abolishment (batshit mental) to reducing amount spent on police and instead invest in mental health services, invest in education and training for impoverished communities and to invest in community engagement which could end up treating the root of the cause, not the symptoms, which isn't as mental as it first sounds.

 
So you have no problem with what the Premier League did yesterday? Given it was non violent (unlike the protests), and promotes equality?

good news
If the players were doing it because that's what they wanted to do and they believe it what they were doing then I have no problem whatsoever and I would applaud them for standing up for what they believe in.
I think everyone in life should stand up for what they believe in
 

Once again, I'm saying people's view on this varies. You found one source, I could find another saying something different, we could go on all day. Complete abolishment is, in my mind, batshit mental so you won't catch me defending that, but less money on police and more on actually helping people (like addiction services) makes a lot of sense to me.
 
Once again, I'm saying people's view on this varies. You found one source, I could find another saying something different, we could go on all day. Complete abolishment is, in my mind, batshit mental so you won't catch me defending that, but less money on police and more on actually helping people (like addiction services) makes a lot of sense to me.

1 source???

it's on their go fund website which mentions nowt about mental health


How we’ll spend the funds!

- Work towards making change at the level of law.
- Developing and distributing educational resources.
- Developing and delivering healing practices in black communities.
- Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. Working alongside existing anti-racist organisations to strengthen the wider movement across the UK.
- Supporting the United Family & Friends Campaign (UFFC) in accessing justice for friends and loved ones killed at the hands of British police.
- Providing emergency relief to black communities bearing the brunt of the Coronavirus crisis
 
If the players were doing it because that's what they wanted to do and they believe it what they were doing then I have no problem whatsoever and I would applaud them for standing up for what they believe in.
I think everyone in life should stand up for what they believe in
There is no suggestion otherwise

So you support it. Cool
 
Yes I do,
Then we have a forum were people are discussing a topic and anyone who doesn't agree with what happened last night is being called a racist.
Not really equality when some people are judged in that way just because they don't agree with others

Well said.
Person A - I believe in equality and democracy.
Person A - if you don't agree with everything I say you are a racist who loves Tommy Robinson.
 
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1 source???

it's on their go fund website which mentions nowt about mental health


How we’ll spend the funds!

- Work towards making change at the level of law.
- Developing and distributing educational resources.
- Developing and delivering healing practices in black communities.
- Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. Working alongside existing anti-racist organisations to strengthen the wider movement across the UK.
- Supporting the United Family & Friends Campaign (UFFC) in accessing justice for friends and loved ones killed at the hands of British police.
- Providing emergency relief to black communities bearing the brunt of the Coronavirus crisis

"The Black Lives Matter cofounder Alicia Garza is calling for national defunding of police and the reallocation of resources to social services, including housing and healthcare."

As I say, it's a complex situation with different people wanting different things. There's no membership cards, no terms of conditions, no political manifesto so you can't pin down an entire movement based on a few voices. Just view the movement like a platform and then our politics need to take the issues that have been raised and move from there.

I'm sure some politicians are already promising things in relation to the movement. I highly doubt abolishment of police will ever be on the cards.
 
agree with this. Tonight should have been a gesture of thanks to NHS and all those people of all colour who risked their lives to get us through the crisis, to the point we can watch football again. Anything else is at this time should be secondary.
It’s time to get over all this false praise for the nhs mind, now that is embarrassing, it’s nothing but an archaic money pit where mismanagement is rife, abuse of sick leave is rife, more mismanagement, etc, etc...it should be an absolute beacon of what this country is capable of but no, it’s an absolute farce and so is putting it on an untouchable pedestal
 
My issue is the narrative spun in this country that there is no issue with crime in black communities or poor performance by black boys in secondary school but that it's a part of an institutional bias that seeks to oppress black people. I keep seeing statistics trotted out that allegedly prove racism rather than accepting the possibility of other factors.

Both of those things are also linked to poverty. If black people aren't given the same opportunities, then there will be higher levels of poverty & by default higher levels of crime & poor academic performance.
 
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"The Black Lives Matter cofounder Alicia Garza is calling for national defunding of police and the reallocation of resources to social services, including housing and healthcare."

As I say, it's a complex situation with different people wanting different things. There's no membership cards, no terms of conditions, no political manifesto so you can't pin down an entire movement based on a few voices. Just view the movement like a platform and then our politics need to take the issues that have been raised and move from there.

I'm sure some politicians are already promising things in relation to the movement. I highly doubt abolishment of police will ever be on the cards.
Nowt complex about wanting to defund/abolish the police
 
In the week that Rashford secured meals for starving kids this summer and with all the activism from black footballers related to speaking out against police brutality this comment doesn't hit like it used to.

Besides, would you prefer them not to speak out at all or are you saying that if they kneeled for sweatshops and had shirts that said "Asian Lives Matter" you'd be okay with it?

Truth is we should be less worried about slavery From 200 years ago which was abolished by the most enlightened and progressIve country of ‘its time ‘ and worry about modern slavery which exists across the world, makes a few people rich at the cost of others well being and creates economic pressures which costs jobs in country’s where workers rights and opportunity exist.
Maybe in time these countries will become enlightened as they get richer and apply the same privileges EVERY worker has in this country and many many people made sacrifices for.
 
Nowt complex about wanting to defund/abolish the police

As I said, "I'm sure nee fucker is gonna read this or let their mind be changed". I'll leave it there, have a good one marra.

Truth is we should be less worried about slavery From 200 years ago which was abolished by the most enlightened and progressIve country of ‘its time ‘ and worry about modern slavery which exists across the world, makes a few people rich at the cost of others well being and creates economic pressures which costs jobs in country’s where workers rights and opportunity exist.
Maybe in time these countries will become enlightened as they get richer and apply the same privileges EVERY worker has in this country and many many people made sacrifices for.

Won't catch me arguing. Not defending that at all, think it's a stain on the game that we are only 2 years away from playing in brand new stadiums built with slave labour in Qatar.
 
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