June to July 2020 - NUFC

[AndyH]

How do you know he was offered a shite deal? He chased the money in china

The club said he was offered a good deal.
Rafa said he wanted a pay rise, a guarantee the improvements to the training ground that had been promised would be done, a guarantee that a reasonable amount X would be available for transfers and that he would have full control of that budget to decide who comes in and out.
Rafa said the offer that was made had no pay rise, no guarantee of the improvements to the training ground, no guarantee of a transfer budget and less control over transfers than he currently had.

Without being there at the meetings i can believe the club or Rafa, I choose to believe Rafa, you can believe whoever you want.

WTO report due out on Tuesday, that's the starting gun for a yes or no, imo.

As an aside, the beheaders derby takes place this Sunday.

I don't think the WTO report will be significant either way.
Just an opinion though.

 

[Safc88]

The club said he was offered a good deal.
Rafa said he wanted a pay rise, a guarantee the improvements to the training ground that had been promised would be done, a guarantee that a reasonable amount X would be available for transfers and that he would have full control of that budget to decide who comes in and out.
Rafa said the offer that was made had no pay rise, no guarantee of the improvements to the training ground, no guarantee of a transfer budget and less control over transfers than he currently had.

Without being there at the meetings i can believe the club or Rafa, I choose to believe Rafa, you can believe whoever you want.

I don't think the WTO report will be significant either way.
Just an opinion though.

Am sure if ashley even agreed to those things rafa would have still turned down the millions from china

 

[Binxy]

The club said he was offered a good deal.
Rafa said he wanted a pay rise, a guarantee the improvements to the training ground that had been promised would be done, a guarantee that a reasonable amount X would be available for transfers and that he would have full control of that budget to decide who comes in and out.
Rafa said the offer that was made had no pay rise, no guarantee of the improvements to the training ground, no guarantee of a transfer budget and less control over transfers than he currently had.

Without being there at the meetings i can believe the club or Rafa, I choose to believe Rafa, you can believe whoever you want.

I don't think the WTO report will be significant either way.
Just an opinion though.

So he wanted a pay rise, wasn't offered one so fucked off to China.
I'd say that was chasing the money.

 

[The Fish]

Am sure if ashley even agreed to those things rafa would have still turned down the millions from china

I'm also sure he would have turned down the China job. Glad to see some Sunderland fans can see sense.

So he wanted a pay rise, wasn't offered one so fucked off to China.
I'd say that was chasing the money.

It's easy, this cherry picking stuff.

 

[Safc88]

I'm also sure he would have turned down the China job. Glad to see some Sunderland fans can see sense.

The fact he turned down staying at his beloved newcastle to go to the amazing Chinese league says it all. Just like those mercenary players go over there for the same reason.

 

[Secret Visage]

So Ra£a Benitez went to China for the money.

Glad we've cleared that up.

 

[Binxy]

I'm also sure he would have turned down the China job. Glad to see some Sunderland fans can see sense.

It's easy, this cherry picking stuff.

Who's cherry picking?
He wanted a pay rise, didn't get one so went to China for more money.

 

[The Fish]

The fact he turned down staying at his beloved newcastle to go to the amazing Chinese league says it all. Just like those mercenary players go over there for the same reason.

The fact that he stayed with Newcastle after relegation instead of chasing the money immediately, says you're wrong. How'd you like them apples?

 

[Banks]

See, if he was purely motivated by money, why take a job in the Championship? Chinese clubs didn't suddenly become aware of him because he got us back into the Premier League. He was free to speak to anyone he wanted. If it was just the cash, why not take that opportunity to get rich(er) quick(er)?

I've no doubt Benitez said nice things to get the fans on side, it makes sense to do that. If the fans are behind the manager and the team, it works in their favour. 52,000 screaming jawdees and all that. But all the testimonies of the man paint a picture of a bloke who loves the game, who tries to form a bond with fans and the area, not of a mercenary who's after money and trophies and to hell with what people think. the only place I've heard him painted as a money chasing fraud is on here, or from Everton fans. Can't imagine why.


So away from the place that he really took to, and who took to him then?

And of the other clubs, how much of a pressing concern were their training facilities, their academy? I doubt Real Madrid were dunking Christiano Ronaldo and Pepe in wheelie bin ice baths...

Gullit had literally just won the FA Cup and was a young manager who seemed on the up, at the time. McClaren was clearly in decline. A decline he continued at Newcastle, and beyond. What's the esteemed manager up to these days?

He also finished 6th which for the money Chelsea were throwing about was poor.

6th is well outside the European places in the 90s. Joe Royle had just won the FA Cup why wasn't he appointed?

 

[Safc88]

The fact that he stayed with Newcastle after relegation instead of chasing the money immediately, says you're wrong. How'd you like them apples?

What offers did he have? Haway man he turned you lot down for china. Nevermind bruce is doing better anyway.

 

[The Fish]

Who's cherry picking?
He wanted a pay rise, didn't get one so went to China for more money.

I could have sworn there was more to the post you quoted... Lemme check.

The club said he was offered a good deal.
Rafa said he wanted a pay rise, a guarantee the improvements to the training ground that had been promised would be done, a guarantee that a reasonable amount X would be available for transfers and that he would have full control of that budget to decide who comes in and out.
Rafa said the offer that was made had no pay rise, no guarantee of the improvements to the training ground, no guarantee of a transfer budget and less control over transfers than he currently had.

Without being there at the meetings i can believe the club or Rafa, I choose to believe Rafa, you can believe whoever you want.

I don't think the WTO report will be significant either way.
Just an opinion though.

Yup, definitely more in there, I've even put the other bits of the post in bold in case you miss them again.

 

[AndyH]

Am sure if ashley even agreed to those things rafa would have still turned down the millions from china

I'm sure if Ashley had of given him what he asked for he would have stayed
Over to you.

 

[Binxy]

The fact that he stayed with Newcastle after relegation instead of chasing the money immediately, says you're wrong. How'd you like them apples?

He stayed with Newcastle in the Championship because he was one of the top paid managers in the country, as soon as a better offer came along he left.

 

[Super Ted]

See, if he was purely motivated by money, why take a job in the Championship? Chinese clubs didn't suddenly become aware of him because he got us back into the Premier League. He was free to speak to anyone he wanted. If it was just the cash, why not take that opportunity to get rich(er) quick(er)?

I've no doubt Benitez said nice things to get the fans on side, it makes sense to do that. If the fans are behind the manager and the team, it works in their favour. 52,000 screaming jawdees and all that. But all the testimonies of the man paint a picture of a bloke who loves the game, who tries to form a bond with fans and the area, not of a mercenary who's after money and trophies and to hell with what people think. the only place I've heard him painted as a money chasing fraud is on here, or from Everton fans. Can't imagine why.


So away from the place that he really took to, and who took to him then?

And of the other clubs, how much of a pressing concern were their training facilities, their academy? I doubt Real Madrid were dunking Christiano Ronaldo and Pepe in wheelie bin ice baths...

Gullit had literally just won the FA Cup and was a young manager who seemed on the up, at the time. McClaren was clearly in decline. A decline he continued at Newcastle, and beyond. What's the esteemed manager up to these days?

Does Ashley therefore not deserve some credit for convincing him to stay whilst in the Championship then?

RE the bit in bold, no but as i mentioned he never stays around long enough for the academy to come to fruition anyway, so what difference does it make to him? it was a soundbite used that resinated with the fans to get them onside.

Rafa Benitez painted a picture in the media that he wanted a big project with NUFC from scouting to academy, training facilities to transfers yet in reality, bolted for China as soon as his contract ended.

He stayed with Newcastle in the Championship because he was one of the top paid managers in the country, as soon as a better offer came along he left.

and that.

 

[Elephant]

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[Banks]

No. Just flannels which is 100% owned by sports direct.

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[The Fish]

He stayed with Newcastle in the Championship because he was one of the top paid managers in the country, as soon as a better offer came along he left.

So, you're stating that there were no job offers from China (or wherever) that offered to pay more than Newcastle?

You're insisting that despite testimony from ex-players, journalists speaking of the character of the man, and direct quotes from himself... despite all that you're insisting that the chief reason for him staying at Newcastle was cash? The knots you tie yourself in, I wonder how you pee straight.

 

[Binxy]

So, you're stating that there were no job offers from China (or wherever) that offered to pay more than Newcastle?

You're insisting that despite testimony from ex-players, journalists speaking of the character of the man, and direct quotes from himself... despite all that you're insisting that the chief reason for him staying at Newcastle was cash? The knots you tie yourself in, I wonder how you pee straight.

Do you really believe he stayed at Newcastle in the Championship for a project?

 

[Deleted member 1169]

So, you're stating that there were no job offers from China (or wherever) that offered to pay more than Newcastle?

You're insisting that despite testimony from ex-players, journalists speaking of the character of the man, and direct quotes from himself... despite all that you're insisting that the chief reason for him staying at Newcastle was cash? The knots you tie yourself in, I wonder how you pee straight.

I think a good reason was to be in the UK whilst his youngest daughter finished her A'levels so it suited him to be a few hours drive home.

 

[Sima]

Ah changing the argument again. Now because I've proven Rafa had a dry spell with trophies when appointed its now McClaren isn't as good as Benitez.

MaClaren won trophy's domestic and abroad. Served as a number 2 at England's biggest club. Was the national team manager. Reached the uefa cup final. At Twente was a penalty shootout away from a Europa League QF which is held as a badge of honour in this thread. Not good enough for a team that haven't won anything for 70 years though.

That's not really a radical thought process is it? Considering you use the term 'trophies' when it's literally the loosest possibly way you can use it, so is spinning it a tad.