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June to July 2020 - NUFC

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sproates33 said:
No, Benitez opted to leave, not the other way round. A contract offer was given which was turned down by Benitez.

From the official NUFC statement - ""We have worked hard to extend Rafa’s contract over a significant period of time, however it has not been - and will not be - possible to reach an agreement with Rafa and his representatives."

In addition to the start and end of your paraghraph, If Mike Ashley only cared about finishing 17th i.e. survival, Why, after two consecutive seasons finishing 10th and 13th, did he spend 65M on incomings in the summer window?
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Ashley is a liar ...which was proved in court
 
Banks said:
Rafa hadn't won a trophy for 2 years when you appointed him. I didn't realise it's only ambitious if you appoint them immediately after they win something 😂
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I never said that at all 🤷‍♂️

Bit of a difference between the level of Rafa Benitez and Steve McClaren like, but carry on.
 
sproates33 said:
No, Benitez opted to leave, not the other way round. A contract offer was given which was turned down by Benitez.

From the official NUFC statement - ""We have worked hard to extend Rafa’s contract over a significant period of time, however it has not been - and will not be - possible to reach an agreement with Rafa and his representatives."

In addition to the start and end of your paraghraph, If Mike Ashley only cared about finishing 17th i.e. survival, Why, after two consecutive seasons finishing 10th and 13th, did he spend 65M on incomings in the summer window?
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Ashley is a liar ...which was proved in court
 
sproates33 said:
Are you suggesting that Benitez was not offered a contract by Newcastle?
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He was offered one yes but not one that reflected a desire to keep him.

According to Ashley it was better than the current one according to Rafa it was worse.
I believe Rafa over Ashley, it's up to you who you choose to believe
 
AndyH said:
He was offered one yes but not one that reflected a desire to keep him.

According to Ashley it was better than the current one according to Rafa it was worse.
I believe Rafa over Ashley, it's up to you who you choose to believe
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So Ashley did provide a contract offer to Benitez and it was Benitez decision to walk away, not the other way round.
 
Bear said:
Bouncy will go where the money is even though he had you idiots eating out the palm of his hand
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Who wouldn't?

He is nearly 60. Getting offered absurd money to go and put your feet up in China. Scranning top gear night after night. Living in absolute luxury.

Dont blame him one little bit. I would be off in a shot.
 
Gorillacop said:
Hmmm which one will he pick :cool:
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It's not about picking which one was 'more' true than the other, fact remains he was given a contract & Benitez chose not to sign it.

Lets get this straight by the way, he was also offered a mega deal in China and took that for the money. It's fairly evident to show what Benitez motive was during this time.
 
sproates33 said:
No, Benitez opted to leave, not the other way round. A contract offer was given which was turned down by Benitez.

From the official NUFC statement - ""We have worked hard to extend Rafa’s contract over a significant period of time, however it has not been - and will not be - possible to reach an agreement with Rafa and his representatives."

In addition to the start and end of your paraghraph, If Mike Ashley only cared about finishing 17th i.e. survival, Why, after two consecutive seasons finishing 10th and 13th, did he spend 65M on incomings in the summer window?
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Couple of things, Mike Ashley (and the club by extension) have lost two cases in the courts because they've been proven to be liars so I don't believe a f***ing word they say. Secondly, it wasn't just about the money, it was about the promises that were made to Benitez and then were not kept. Benitez did not want Joelinton for £40m, he wanted Rondon for c£16m. And paying that for Rondon + wages was cheaper than signing Joelinton+his wages.

Well, one argument is that he spent that money on those players because he was more interested in their resale value than how they fit the side. A criticism that has been leveled at him throughout his stewardship. Although quite how he thought he'd make money on Joelinton is a bloody mystery, ASM sure, but Big Joe? In this team? Under this manager? Not for me. I can only think the scouting team convinced Ashley that Joelinton was the next Firmino or something.

Another arguement is that he spent that money on those players because he knew that the new manager would need better players to stay in the league than his predecessor. Just as he spent money when McClaren was in charge.
 
Bear said:
Bouncy will go where the money is even though he had you idiots eating out the palm of his hand
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2 things ...I'm not an idiot and the contract that was put before Rafa was less input into future signings.
Ashley was taking away Rafa's influence bit by bit.
 
sproates33 said:
So Ashley did provide a contract offer to Benitez and it was Benitez decision to walk away, not the other way round.
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yes, I don't think anyone is suggesting any different.

By offering a worse contract than the one he is on does not reflect a desire by the club to keep him wouldn't you agree?
 
sproates33 said:
It's not about picking which one was 'more' true than the other, fact remains he was given a contract & Benitez chose not to sign it.

Lets get this straight by the way, he was also offered a mega deal in China and took that for the money. It's fairly evident to show what Benitez motive was during this time.
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So you're saying from the two accounts, one from Benitez stating that promises were not kept and that his ambitions for the club weren't matched by the owner, the other from court proven liar Mike Ashley stating that a deal could not be struck. You've surmised that it was purely the money side of things.

One stating the important things were control and autonomy, the other simply stating an agreement couldn't be struck. Neither side mentioning money, you've decided it was money that was the sticking point...
 
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