Just watched a few minutes of that. All football aside it’s pretty scary to watch. I’d hate to be under that scrutiny. She doesn’t look comfortable at all. Quite compulsive viewing all the same.
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The Fish
Winger
I can feel comfortable stating that Mike Ashley's ambition for Newcastle United starts and ends with Premier League survival because each decision he makes backs me up. Generally appointing middling managers that hopefully keep us up, failing to allow a manager to build a team that can progress, willingly selling the best players and then failing to replace them, failing to capitalise on positions of strengths and failing to arrest a slide quickly enough. Breaking up a group of players whose drive would have pushed the club forward, failing to invest in the facilities, failing to invest in the academy, failing to grow commercial revenue.
In Benitez he had a manager who could turn the fortunes of the club around, not just on the pitch, but off it as well. Rather than cede control and see his investment grow, he allowed one of the most trophied managers around leave, confident that the players would be enough to keep us up, even under Steve Bruce. Because that's all he cares about. That why Ashley was happy for the managers to have more transfer control in the Championship. He allowed Charnley to state that cups aren't a priority, citing concerns about relegation.
.. That would be bollocks. Jesus wept, this is such a simple concept, but it's eluding you entirely. Achievement does not necessarily equate to the aim. In 2015/16 Leicester's aim would have been to stay up given their previous season, but they won the league. Sheffield Utd's aim this season would be to survive, their achievement far exceeds that. Aim ≠ Achievement.
BigPete
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Wont be his first login either
Banks
Striker
Why people think your being bias is your opinion on Ashley isn't true.
First appointment was Allardyce. Allardyces stock was high. Uefa cup football with Bolton. Not the appointment of survival.
He appointed McClaren. Despite whatever spin you attempt. McClaren took Boro to the uefa cup final. He was England manager and has managed in the champions League.
He appointed Benitez a champions League winning manager.
Those three appointments cover 6 seasons or more of Ashley's decade in charge. So mainly Ashley has shown ambition at the top end of the table with his managerial appointments
See ham biscuit2
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Ashley didnt appoint allardyce
Also McClaren got Boro to a UEFA Cup final 7 years before he was appointed at Newcastle.
His most recent achievement was failing to get Derby promoted after a total collapse in the second half of the season. I don't think it's spin to judge a manager on their more recent performance. Being England manager doesn't hold the creedence it once did, it's a second tier job these days at best.
His most recent achievement was failing to get Derby promoted after a total collapse in the second half of the season. I don't think it's spin to judge a manager on their more recent performance. Being England manager doesn't hold the creedence it once did, it's a second tier job these days at best.
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Banks
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He didn't get rid of him either. Shinawatra withdrew his contract from Man City Ashley could have done the same.
As for McClaren. What exactly had Benitez done recently he failed at both Inter and Napoli
The Fish
Winger
No it wasn't. Ashley's first appointment was an ill-conceived appointment of Kevin Keegan. Shepherd & Hall appointed Allardyce. (Ashley then lost a constructive dismissal case against Keegan because he let Wise and Vetere sign and sell players for/from the first team, rather than Keegan.)
McClaren's stock had fallen sharply. After Failing in the England job, he experienced success at Twente, then failed at Wolfsburg and got the sack, got 8pts from his first 10 games at Forest and resigned, failed in his second stint at Twente and after growing fan pressure quit, failed to get Derby up and was fired.
He did appoint Benitez after the Spaniard approached Newcastle for the job, then Ashley kept refusing to invest in the club or cede control of the transfers in the PL to a man who has won the Champions League. Culminating in Benitez running down his contract as he felt promises were not kept.
Well apart from; Kinnear, Shearer, Hughton, Pardew, Carver, McClaren, Bruce, you're spot on.
What's this?
Banks
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Ashley purchased the club a week after Allardyce was appointed to imply he had no say or couldn't have sacked Allardyce immediately is a perfect example of how nufc fans move the goalposts.
Allardyce was set for Man City that year not Newcastle but once there takeover was announced the job offer was withdrawn
Blue_Monday
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Imagine trying to argue that appointing Steve Mcclaren or Sam Allardyce( who wasn't even appointed by Ashley) proves that Ashley shows ambition when appointing managers.
Super Ted
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No, Benitez opted to leave, not the other way round. A contract offer was given which was turned down by Benitez.
From the official NUFC statement - ""We have worked hard to extend Rafa’s contract over a significant period of time, however it has not been - and will not be - possible to reach an agreement with Rafa and his representatives."
In addition to the start and end of your paraghraph, If Mike Ashley only cared about finishing 17th i.e. survival, Why, after two consecutive seasons finishing 10th and 13th, did he spend 65M on incomings in the summer window?
Nukehasslefan
Winger
I think most club's ambitions start at survival first and a case of seeing where that can take them.
Some/most clubs cannot make and hold the grade of champions league football on any regular basis and stay sustainable in terms of the transfer fee/wage climate.
I think Ashley recognised the north east is not the place to try and hold onto the higher echelons without throwing blank cheques at the club to appease fans and mercenary footballers who would likely only come for a king's ransom.
Ashley may not be a spendthrift but he will spend on carefully calculated gambles that ensure a contingency.
Net spends are deemed unambitious if that net spend is low, even if fantastic deals are done.
Some/most clubs cannot make and hold the grade of champions league football on any regular basis and stay sustainable in terms of the transfer fee/wage climate.
I think Ashley recognised the north east is not the place to try and hold onto the higher echelons without throwing blank cheques at the club to appease fans and mercenary footballers who would likely only come for a king's ransom.
Ashley may not be a spendthrift but he will spend on carefully calculated gambles that ensure a contingency.
Net spends are deemed unambitious if that net spend is low, even if fantastic deals are done.
Banks
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McClaren who had just won the Eredivisie?
Funny how that is conveniently forgotten.
Super Ted
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I honestly cannot fathom your stupidity.
Everything you have stated, as pointed out by myself and other posters, is your opinion. not FACT, your, OPINION, YOUR OPINION.
THERE IS CATEGORICALLY, NO EVIDENCE, TO STATE, MIKE ASHLEY, ONLY WANTS TO FINISH 17TH, THIS. IS. YOUR. OPINION.
You keep bleating on about aim v acheviment, so what i said was, based on your logic, anyone who isn't expected to finish inside the top 6 is simply aiming for survival, is that what you are suggesting? Yes or No?
probably worth a mention that he didn't exactly increase the value of his stock in the England job as he failed to qualify for the Euros, earned the title wally with the brolly and was promptly given the bullet.
Then he bombed out at wolfsburg, forest, twente and derby before Ashley decided he was the guy for him.
iansun
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Yet your lot defend the potential takeover of the Saudis, you couldn't make it up.
Five years before he was appointed.
iansun
Striker
They always spout bollocks as facts ,they thrive on lies.
Good points raised by myself there.
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