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June to July 2020 - NUFC

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What A Waster said:
Crikey didn't realise it was that low.
What's Sunderlands out of interest? And where does that rank with the rest of the division per head. I assume 17/18 will be the last set of accounts published?
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I don't see Sunderland's but I would have thought it will be lower as I know prices on corporate has plummeted.

Newcastle similar to Bournemouth and Brighton - you can work them all out from here (
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) and googling attendance data. Issue is masked to an extent when you derive some much broadcast income but the gap between the top six (plus WHU and EFC when new stadium) will just get bigger and bigger. Newcastle (and Sunderland) in an economically deprived area so not unexpected. Only solution is (i) a benevolent owner; (ii) tourists - you ever been to Anfield or City?; (ii) increase ticket prices. Ashley can take the blame for the poor commercial revenue but little he can do when a 52,000 seater stadium derives such a paltry amount per head (and always has - nothing to do with resentment of Ashley).
 
The Fish said:
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Ambition.

Trying and failing to win is one thing, not even trying to improve is a whole other story.
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Perhaps he learned his lesson after appointing an ex-England manager and giving him around £80m to spend during the summer transfer window, then investing heavily in Rafa, only to see relegation in return. Does poor Mike not get any credit for trying and failing, or do you lot simply look at the negatives.
 
Mr B said:
Perhaps he learned his lesson after appointing an ex-England manager and giving him around £80m to spend during the summer transfer window, then investing heavily in Rafa, only to see relegation in return. Does poor Mike not get any credit for trying and failing, or do you lot simply look at the negatives.
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That's part of the problem, the one time in his entire tenure he has backed a manager properly in the summer and put his hand in his pocket without relying on player sales to fund transfers was when he gave 80 million to Mclaren, would have been better off doing that after the 5th places season or when Benitez wanted money to push on after finishing 10th and 13th, but no he was scared by what happened with Carver the previous season when nearly got relegated panicked and gave the most money to the worst manager who couldn't manage the players properly, ended up in another relegation battle and had to pay top doller to a manager who then had to clean up the mess Mclaren had left.
 
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Gorillacop said:
Really? I feel nothing the other way mind.
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Probably because nobody on here is on a Newcastle forum all day from the early hours of the morning.

It’s sad as fuck. I know lockdown has given most people a bit more free time but how shit must your life be too come on a rivals forum talking about how much Rafa loves Newcastle fans and how many pages NUfC have on other teams boards?

It’s sad and f***ing baffling.
 
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Mr B said:
Perhaps he learned his lesson after appointing an ex-England manager and giving him around £80m to spend during the summer transfer window, then investing heavily in Rafa, only to see relegation in return. Does poor Mike not get any credit for trying and failing, or do you lot simply look at the negatives.
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I've managed to find it.
Sunderland matchday revenue for 17/18 £6.6 million (£287k per game), which ranks them in 13th place in the championship.
This despite an average attendance of 27,635 which was 4th highest in the division.

£238 per person over the course of the season, or an average spend of £10.38 per game.
This matchday spend per person had Sunderland 24th in the division.

So going back to what you said, that if Newcastle fans had put their hands in their pockets a bit more we might've got better players, would you agree it's Sunderland fans to blame for not spending money that has got them where they are?
 
What A Waster said:
I've managed to find it.
Sunderland matchday revenue for 17/18 £6.6 million (£287k per game), which ranks them in 13th place in the championship.
This despite an average attendance of 27,635 which was 4th highest in the division.

£238 per person over the course of the season, or an average spend of £10.38 per game.
This matchday spend per person had Sunderland 24th in the division.

So going back to what you said, that if Newcastle fans had put their hands in their pockets a bit more we might've got better players, would you agree it's Sunderland fans to blame for not spending money that has got them where they are?
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Whilst I’m sure that is very interesting to you, it’s totally unrelated to my superb comment.
 
What A Waster said:
I've managed to find it.
Sunderland matchday revenue for 17/18 £6.6 million (£287k per game), which ranks them in 13th place in the championship.
This despite an average attendance of 27,635 which was 4th highest in the division.

£238 per person over the course of the season, or an average spend of £10.38 per game.
This matchday spend per person had Sunderland 24th in the division.

So going back to what you said, that if Newcastle fans had put their hands in their pockets a bit more we might've got better players, would you agree it's Sunderland fans to blame for not spending money that has got them where they are?
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But we are not European heavyweights!

We had a benevolent owner, were spending way beyond our means and still fecked up. ES is culpable for poor appointments but he dug deep to make up the difference. No Sunderland fans have called ES out for not backing the club financially.
 
sproates33 said:
Everything you have mentioned in the first paragraph was the initial feeling of appointments / signings, I would hope in any situation someone deserves a chance. The difference between us 'moaning about Grayson until it went south, Criticising Short when we were in the PL, Celebrating Donald at the beginning' is completely different to yours of Ashley. When he's putting money in and everything is going rosy no appreciation is given, yet when it goes tits up, absolutely everything is his fault.
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We should be grateful that, in order to rescue his investment he allowed the club to make the signings it needed to? When he doesn't allow the same freedoms when the club is in a postion of strength? Haddaway and shite.

Benitez played you all like an absolute fiddle man and you sitll believe to this day, because he went on record, to say he was staying for the fans. If you genuinally believe that you are mental. There's a reason why he fucked off to China and it's because Ashley didn't cave into his demands, combined with the fact he could make mega money elsewhere. Do you really think Benitez hasn't had better footballing offers than going to Dalian in some tinpot Chinese league? :lol:
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I believe the fans had an influence, yes. I think it's churlish to suggest otherwise. I also believe Benitez saw that Newcastle United could achieve more than mere survival in the Premier League and that he wanted to be the man to deliver on that potential. I don't doubt Benitez has had offers, but he took the one that gives him control and resources and a massive salary. Fair play to him.

... and rightly so, the transfers that Carr brought in propelled you to 5th. I ask again, how is that a negative? Surely the best business model any football club can follow in an ideal situation is maximum output (results) for little spend. Or is it just all about blowing unncessary money just to say you have spent it? You lot are absolutely mental when it comes to net spend and transfers, proper weird. He could have chucked loads of money at it, went tits up, and you lot would have moaned that he didn't follow Carrs successful model of buying players from foreign leagues that proved to be a success. There is also absolutely no guarantee that when a midtable / lower end side chucks money at things, it works, i.e. see Sunderland (at the time), Villa, Everton, Bournemouth, Fulham, Watford, West Ham, the list is endless.
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That's an oversimplification of why we ended up 5th, entirely disregarding the rest of the teams who'd normally have finished higher having bad seasons, unreal purple patch for our strike force, but whatever. I've no problem with finding good players to fit the system from undervalued leagues (Cabaye/Tiote). I do have a problem with buying players based on their resale value, regardless of the team's needs (Thauvin, Cabella, Marveaux, Saivet, de Jong, de Jong, Riviere, Ferreyra, Doumbia). Fwiw, the best business model is to produce your own players to fund, or form, the first team.

Are you suggesting that following a model of bringing through young, European players such as Thauvin, Cabella & Siem De Jong was the wrong thing to do? I think your talking out your arse here because you even held a f***ing French day at St James Park' a season before they arrived, You could argue here that on that basis, Ashley funded in the next window exactly what the fans wanted :lol::lol:
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You're confusing a club organised day to welcome the french players with the fans demanding french players. The fans wanted what all fans want, the best for their club.
Signing players that don't fit the team, or the way the manager plays is folly and leads to relegation, twice. We're still doing it to this day; Steve Bruce plays a low block, with little pressing, yet we've signed Joelinton. A pressing forward who is not a goalscorer or a targetman. It's a total waste of £40m. £40m that could have been spent on Rondon and a good central midfielder/fullback/other striker.

I'm stating, again, that a club should buy players to improve the first team, where the first team needs improving. Newcastle United got into European competition and made a solitary permanent signing despite the clear and obvious need for depth to handle the added fixtures. Newcastle had an excellent striker and let him leave for £7m rather than give him a decent contract. Newcastle had a top class manager and let him leave because he wanted more control over transfers, like not signing a goalshy forward for £40m!

Ashley doesn't care about finishing 5th or 17th, he just wants Newcastle United to be a Premier League side. He doesn't care if the manager can take us forward, as long as he doesn't get us relegated (buhbuh Benitez tuk yiz dowun hurr hurr).

There's a notion outside of the North East that Ashley is a bad owner, as much as there is one that other fans cannot stand the delusion that comes from your mouths. You consntantly live in hope that if you stamp and kick your feet enough people will take notice, all because you 'used to play in Europe' over 15 years ago. Something that has since been acheived by Burnley, West Ham, Southampton, Everton, Hull, Swansea, Stoke, Wigan & Birmingham. You live in your own self-righteous bubble that is an absolute embarrasment to football supporters.
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Right, so if the consensus is that Ashley has been bad for Newcastle United, why is he defended so staunchly on here? There are users naming themselves AshleyIn. If he's so good, why in the world would a Sunderland fan want him to stay? Surely, surely, you'd want the worst possible owner for Newcastle to employ the worst possible manager to buy the worst possible players for the worst possible team?
 
Charles Eats Grass said:
Probably because nobody on here is on a Newcastle forum all day from the early hours of the morning.

It’s sad as fuck. I know lockdown has given most people a bit more free time but how shit must your life be too come on a rivals forum talking about how much Rafa loves Newcastle fans and how many pages NUfC have on other teams boards?

It’s sad and f***ing baffling.
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They were doing this before lockdown and will be doing it afterwards.

Please don't blame poor old Covid-19 for these absolute ballbags being on here day and night.
 
Mr B said:
Perhaps he learned his lesson after appointing an ex-England manager and giving him around £80m to spend during the summer transfer window, then investing heavily in Rafa, only to see relegation in return. Does poor Mike not get any credit for trying and failing, or do you lot simply look at the negatives.
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The "ex-England" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. You're talking about Steve McClaren, not Alf Ramsey. Also, Ashley invested nothing beyond Benitez' wages before relegation that season.

I look at reality, not whatever crackpot version is agreed upon by some sunderland fans.
 
jlaws said:
But we are not European heavyweights!

We had a benevolent owner, were spending way beyond our means and still fecked up. ES is culpable for poor appointments but he dug deep to make up the difference. No Sunderland fans have called ES out for not backing the club financially.
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Neither are we European heavyweights like Liverpool who you mentioned.
Your point was if Newcastle fans spent more we'd be better off. Sunderland fans spending a tenner a game are surely equally to blame for their plight? Especially when the club became more reliant on gate receipts once out of the top flight
 
Secret Visage said:
They were doing this before lockdown and will be doing it afterwards.

Please don't blame poor old Covid-19 for these absolute ballbags being on here day and night.
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Dont have to tell me that mate. The poster I’m on about has just under 20,000 posts in less than 6 year on here man. Struggle to get my head round it.
 
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