June to July 2020 - NUFC

[The Fish]

It's not staggering hypocrisy at all, as you have laid the money figures out yourself, you confirmed yourself, Villa spent less than you did that summer. (This was also after you spent 97 million the season before under Mclaren by the way)

Aston Villa spent more than Newcastle United did in the 16/17 season. And Much of the money spent by Newcastle United was from players sales.

Your main paragraph is completely your opinion, everyone has one, however the facts laid bare show that he doesn't just strive for 17th, you have finished closer to 10th than you have to 17th over the majority of the last few years.

Ad hoc ergo propter hoc. That we finished 10th doesn't mean that was Ashley's aim, it just means that's where we ended up. He wants Newcastle United to be a Premier League club which is why he sanctioned the transfer policies that were fit for purpose when in the Championship, but not in the top flight. Newcastle have finished well in some seasons and little to no effort has been made to build on that and climb the table.

You wank on about Benitez enough and how he's such a high calibre of manager. Who brought him in? Was Ashley lacking ambition there?

It's well known, even on here, that Benitez approached Newcastle, not the other way around. I'm not giving Ashley credit for someone like Benitez landing in his lap.

You also mentioned if his priority wasn't to just survive, he would invest some money received from player sales on improving the team. Has he not done that?

19/20 - Spent 65M, Recouped 32M
18/19 - Spent 54M, Recouped 46M
17/18 - Spent 41M, Recouped 19M

That is your seasons 'spend' since relegation, always put in more than he has received in recent years, Something doesn't add up.

And yet he didn't strengthen when we finished 5th, he prevaricated on spending to replace Carrol, he sanctioned a transfer policy that wasn't fit for purpose.

Sheer arrogance to think that survival is a given.

That doesn't sound like an attribute common in football fans. Swear I saw on here a while ago that the Championship was a joke league.

 

[Roker Mackem]

Has it gone tits up yet?

Going through again according to todays press

 

[Binxy]

Aston Villa spent more than Newcastle United did in the 16/17 season. And Much of the money spent by Newcastle United was from players sales.

Ad hoc ergo propter hoc. That we finished 10th doesn't mean that was Ashley's aim, it just means that's where we ended up. He wants Newcastle United to be a Premier League club which is why he sanctioned the transfer policies that were fit for purpose when in the Championship, but not in the top flight. Newcastle have finished well in some seasons and little to no effort has been made to build on that and climb the table.

It's well known, even on here, that Benitez approached Newcastle, not the other way around. I'm not giving Ashley credit for someone like Benitez landing in his lap.



And yet he didn't strengthen when we finished 5th, he prevaricated on spending to replace Carrol, he sanctioned a transfer policy that wasn't fit for purpose.




That doesn't sound like an attribute common in football fans. Swear I saw on here a while ago that the Championship was a joke league.

Finish 5th and 10th = "That wasn't Ashley's aim, pure luck"

Finish 17th = "Ashley will be happy, job done"

 

[sima-hebburn]

Mike ashley's had a sex change

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[The Fish]

Finish 5th and 10th = "That wasn't Ashley's aim, pure luck"

Finish 17th = "Ashley will be happy, job done"

It's not a complex idea.

Ashley wants Newcastle United to be a Premier League because it is a more valuable asset and his Sports Direct branding gets shown every time St James' Park is on tv. Beyond that, he couldn't give a toss where we finish. Hence having Charnley talk about cup competitions as if progress in them is a guarantee of relegation.

He's not invested in the success or failure of Newcastle United on the pitch beyond maintaining Premier League status.

 

[Wansbeck Viking]

It's not a complex idea.

Ashley wants Newcastle United to be a Premier League because it is a more valuable asset and his Sports Direct branding gets shown every time St James' Park is on tv. Beyond that, he couldn't give a toss where we finish. Hence having Charnley talk about cup competitions as if progress in them is a guarantee of relegation.

He's not invested in the success or failure of Newcastle United on the pitch beyond maintaining Premier League status.

Must be the reason Rafa never took the cups seriously also. Keep the bosses happy.

 

[Binxy]

It's not a complex idea.

Ashley wants Newcastle United to be a Premier League because it is a more valuable asset and his Sports Direct branding gets shown every time St James' Park is on tv. Beyond that, he couldn't give a toss where we finish. Hence having Charnley talk about cup competitions as if progress in them is a guarantee of relegation.

He's not invested in the success or failure of Newcastle United on the pitch beyond maintaining Premier League status.

Majority of teams don't take cup competitions seriously, are they all happy to finish 17th as well?

 

[Super Ted]

Aston Villa spent more than Newcastle United did in the 16/17 season. And Much of the money spent by Newcastle United was from players sales.

Ad hoc ergo propter hoc. That we finished 10th doesn't mean that was Ashley's aim, it just means that's where we ended up. He wants Newcastle United to be a Premier League club which is why he sanctioned the transfer policies that were fit for purpose when in the Championship, but not in the top flight. Newcastle have finished well in some seasons and little to no effort has been made to build on that and climb the table.

It's well known, even on here, that Benitez approached Newcastle, not the other way around. I'm not giving Ashley credit for someone like Benitez landing in his lap.



And yet he didn't strengthen when we finished 5th, he prevaricated on spending to replace Carrol, he sanctioned a transfer policy that wasn't fit for purpose.




That doesn't sound like an attribute common in football fans. Swear I saw on here a while ago that the Championship was a joke league.

Over the season, yes (which suprised me btw) but Ashley funded enough to win the Championship - I didn't see Villa fans bleating on about lack of investment from the Chairman at that time FWIW.

What you are saying is completely suiting your own agenda, "That we finishined 10th doesn't mean that was Ashleys aim, it's just where we ended up" - You could say his aim wasn't to get relegated either, it works both ways. The FACT is you have been closer to 10th, than 17th for the majority of his reign.

Well known I have never heard such drivvel in all my life. Ashley also kept Benitez in the Championship season, then the season after, does he not deserve credit for that? or was this purely down to the Jawdee Nayshurn and Benitez loving the fans as the reason he stayed? (more utter drivel, it was purely financial, that Ashley backed)

FWIW - Carroll was sold in January 2011, The likes of Papiss Cisse were signed in January 2012, you went on that season 2011/12 to finish 5th, in hindsight, utilising the Carroll money on other players you signed, helped you to get into Europe. How is this a negative? Following your season finishing 5th, he continued with the scouting team to invest in foreign players, much in the same mould to the ones that helped you finishing 5th (Cabaye, Cisse, Santon) by purchasing the following season, Sissoko, Mbiwa, Debuchy, Anita, Gouffran etc. You can possibly blame some areas of the scouting network not working, but laying the blame completely at Ashleys door for how things panned out after Carroll left is just ridiculous. Oh and by the way, when Carroll was sold, you brought in Ben Arfa in the same window. Another player you all bang on about how good he was, I suppose this was a negative too to just fit the anti-Ashley argument.

 

[Deleted member 1169]

Aye but if your team was a Premier League regular for 9 years, aren't you entitled to aspire for that target once more? At least for another 9 years?

Totally. The point being where you could be in 13 years bears no relation to where you are now, as lots could change. Likewise, where y

It's not a complex idea.

Ashley wants Newcastle United to be a Premier League because it is a more valuable asset and his Sports Direct branding gets shown every time St James' Park is on tv. Beyond that, he couldn't give a toss where we finish. Hence having Charnley talk about cup competitions as if progress in them is a guarantee of relegation.

He's not invested in the success or failure of Newcastle United on the pitch beyond maintaining Premier League status.

Mike Ashley isn't rich enough to compete with the top 6. He knows that, but he can't admit it!

Look at how much extra he would need to spend on wages alone to get in the top 7 never mind top 4/5:

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Look at what he would have to do to transfer spending also:

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Meanwhile, despite 52,000 screaming Geordies you are small fry in comparison to others for match day revenue and commercial revenue:

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[The Fish]

Must be the reason Rafa never took the cups seriously also. Keep the bosses happy.

Must be.

Majority of teams don't take cup competitions seriously, are they all happy to finish 17th as well?

Majority? I don't think that's true, I think FA cup progress is vital to a lot of lower league clubs.

Or do you mean Premier League clubs? Well, you've a group for whom the early stages of the cup aren't worthwhile, and a group for whom survival is the main goal, and then the rest will take them seriously.

 

[Mr B]

He's not invested in the success or failure of Newcastle United on the pitch beyond maintaining Premier League status.

Wonder where that £140m of debt came from?

 

[Binxy]

Must be.

Majority? I don't think that's true, I think FA cup progress is vital to a lot of lower league clubs.

Or do you mean Premier League clubs? Well, you've a group for whom the early stages of the cup aren't worthwhile, and a group for whom survival is the main goal, and then the rest will take them seriously.

What about Watford, a team you mentioned as being more ambitious than yourselves?

This very same Watford that made 11 changes for their FA Cup defeat to League one Tranmere.
By your logic they must be happy to finish 17th as well.

 

[Blue_Monday]

Complete bollocks, You have been relegated twice and immediatley responded with two Championship titles breaking Championship transfer records each time.

Other league finishes, 13th, 12th, 12th, 5th, 16th, 10th, 15th, 10th, 13th - Apparently though he only wants to finish 17th each season.

Teams also relegated during his tenure include Cardiff, Fulham Huddersfield, Swansea, Stoke, WBA, Hull, Boro, Sunderland, Norwich, Villa, QPR, Burnley, Norwich, Reading, Wigan, Wolves, Blackburn, Bolton, West Ham, Blackpool, Birmingham, Portsmouth, Derby.

You are hardly in the minority in suffering a relegation.

Look at them teams you listed though , only West Ham and Villa are of a similar Stature in the game to Newcastle, no way should either of them clubs ever be getting relegated from the Premier league let alone It happening twice , only highlights the bad ownership.

 

[Bear]

Look at them teams you listed though , only West Ham and Villa are of a similar Stature in the game to Newcastle, no way should either of them clubs ever be getting relegated from the Premier league let alone It happening twice , only highlights the bad ownership.

No marks ? 65yrs since a domestic trophy some statue huge club most of those clubs you're dissing have won something in that time

 

[The Fish]

Over the season, yes (which suprised me btw) but Ashley funded enough to win the Championship - I didn't see Villa fans bleating on about lack of investment from the Chairman at that time FWIW.

The sale of players did pay for the squad rebuild and while I personaly wanted us to try and some players in January to ensure the instant return tot he top flight, I don't think I saw many Newcastle fans 'bleating on about a lack of investment' in that season.

What you are saying is completely suiting your own agenda, "That we finishined 10th doesn't mean that was Ashleys aim, it's just where we ended up" - You could say his aim wasn't to get relegated either, it works both ways. The FACT is you have been closer to 10th, than 17th for the majority of his reign.

That FACT is that the aims for the seasons were survival, that some managers achieved more than mere survival is irrelevant.

Well known I have never heard such drivvel in all my life. Ashley also kept Benitez in the Championship season, then the season after, does he not deserve credit for that? or was this purely down to the Jawdee Nayshurn and Benitez loving the fans as the reason he stayed? (more utter drivel, it was purely financial, that Ashley backed)

You're asking "Does Ashley deserve credit for not firing a manager who delivered top flight football?" as if that's not a stupid question?

FWIW - Carroll was sold in January 2011, The likes of Papiss Cisse were signed in January 2012, you went on that season 2011/12 to finish 5th, in hindsight, utilising the Carroll money on other players you signed, helped you to get into Europe. How is this a negative? Following your season finishing 5th, he continued with the scouting team to invest in foreign players, much in the same mould to the ones that helped you finishing 5th (Cabaye, Cisse, Santon) by purchasing the following season, Sissoko, Mbiwa, Debuchy, Anita, Gouffran etc. You can possibly blame some areas of the scouting network not working, but laying the blame completely at Ashleys door for how things panned out after Carroll left is just ridiculous. Oh and by the way, when Carroll was sold, you brought in Ben Arfa in the same window. Another player you all bang on about how good he was, I suppose this was a negative too to just fit the anti-Ashley argument.

Yeah, Carroll was sold on the final day of the January window, with no replacement in place. That £35m was not wholly invested in new players as your post intimates, £14m of the £24m spent was recouped from the sales of Enrique, Routledge et al.

After finishing 5th our summer window saw 1 permanent signing made; Anita for c£7m. It was January that Newcastle signed the French contingent you mention, after selling Ba and others for c£13m. Purchases that were pencilled in for the following summer, but brought forward due to Newcastle's poor league performance to date (only 2pts clear of 18th).

It's entirely possible, and reasonable, to state that Mike Ashley's the reason Newcastle United has gone from a regular in European competition to a regular in relegation scraps. It's entirely fair to say that the recruitment policy that he signed off on was a big factor in the latest relegation.

Put it this way, if Mike Ashley was doing a good job as owner of Newcastle United, you lot on here wouldn't rush to his defence half as quick.

 

[Shandy drinker]

No marks ? 65yrs since a domestic trophy some statue huge club most of those clubs you're dissing have won something in that time

stop mentioning statues man

 

[Binxy]

The sale of players did pay for the squad rebuild and while I personaly wanted us to try and some players in January to ensure the instant return tot he top flight, I don't think I saw many Newcastle fans 'bleating on about a lack of investment' in that season.


That FACT is that the aims for the seasons were survival, that some managers achieved more than mere survival is irrelevant.


You're asking "Does Ashley deserve credit for not firing a manager who delivered top flight football?" as if that's not a stupid question?


Yeah, Carroll was sold on the final day of the January window, with no replacement in place. That £35m was not wholly invested in new players as your post intimates, £14m of the £24m spent was recouped from the sales of Enrique, Routledge et al.

After finishing 5th our summer window saw 1 permanent signing made; Anita for c£7m. It was January that Newcastle signed the French contingent you mention, after selling Ba and others for c£13m. Purchases that were pencilled in for the following summer, but brought forward due to Newcastle's poor league performance to date (only 2pts clear of 18th).

It's entirely possible, and reasonable, to state that Mike Ashley's the reason Newcastle United has gone from a regular in European competition to a regular in relegation scraps. It's entirely fair to say that the recruitment policy that he signed off on was a big factor in the latest relegation.

Put it this way, if Mike Ashley was doing a good job as owner of Newcastle United, you lot on here wouldn't rush to his defence half as quick.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, net spend, net f***ing spend.
Ashley has spent more than he's recieved, end of.

 

[skullmeister]

There's been a few Saudi family documentaries on tv recently and another one on bbc2 tonight. The money they are reportedly buying Newcastle for is loose change. They make that in 'commission' alone on many deals and contracts. Its worth watching this to understand the levels of corruption which are astronomical.

 

[Super Ted]

The sale of players did pay for the squad rebuild and while I personaly wanted us to try and some players in January to ensure the instant return tot he top flight, I don't think I saw many Newcastle fans 'bleating on about a lack of investment' in that season.


That FACT is that the aims for the seasons were survival, that some managers achieved more than mere survival is irrelevant.


You're asking "Does Ashley deserve credit for not firing a manager who delivered top flight football?" as if that's not a stupid question?


Yeah, Carroll was sold on the final day of the January window, with no replacement in place. That £35m was not wholly invested in new players as your post intimates, £14m of the £24m spent was recouped from the sales of Enrique, Routledge et al.

After finishing 5th our summer window saw 1 permanent signing made; Anita for c£7m. It was January that Newcastle signed the French contingent you mention, after selling Ba and others for c£13m. Purchases that were pencilled in for the following summer, but brought forward due to Newcastle's poor league performance to date (only 2pts clear of 18th).

It's entirely possible, and reasonable, to state that Mike Ashley's the reason Newcastle United has gone from a regular in European competition to a regular in relegation scraps. It's entirely fair to say that the recruitment policy that he signed off on was a big factor in the latest relegation.

Put it this way, if Mike Ashley was doing a good job as owner of Newcastle United, you lot on here wouldn't rush to his defence half as quick.

Exactly as i thought, when everythings going well it's everyone bar Ashley who is doing a good job, as soon as things go tits up everything it's his fault, no Newcaslte fan moaned about investment because it was all going well.

You have worded that to suit your own agenda again, Surely Benitez had other offers on the table when Newcastle were relegated? The fact is Ashley backed him and paid him what he wanted to stay.

My post never stated that the Carroll money was completely spent back on the playing squad, my post stated that once Carroll left, the signings made in the following window got you into Europe. The same time the likes of Enrique were sold, you brought in some very decent players in Cabaye, Santon & Demba Ba. The summer window you had in 2012-13, accepted, was quiet. You didn't lose many players (if any until January) from the squad that ended the season in 5th place. Once it got to January, signifcant investment was made on some good signings in Sissoko, Mbiwa (on paper), Debuchy, Gouffran etc. You ended the season in 16th, but also got to the Quarter Finals of the Europa League (it must have been dreadful)


Or maybe we see it for what it is, the fact that you have an owner who has ran you sustainably, has had seasons where he has backed you financially, a season in Europe, has invested money into the playing squad without saddling the club with monumental debt and has you in a position whereby you are attractive to potential buyers. He also managed to covince a manager of Benitez calibre to stay with you for three years, one being in the Championship.

 

[Binxy]

Exactly as i thought, when everythings going well it's everyone bar Ashley who is doing a good job, as soon as things go tits up everything it's his fault, no Newcaslte fan moaned about investment because it was all going well.

You have worded that to suit your own agenda again, Surely Benitez had other offers on the table when Newcastle were relegated? The fact is Ashley backed him and paid him what he wanted to stay.

My post never stated that the Carroll money was completely spent back on the playing squad, my post stated that once Carroll left, the signings made in the following window got you into Europe. The same time the likes of Enrique were sold, you brought in some very decent players in Cabaye, Santon & Demba Ba. The summer window you had in 2012-13, accepted, was quiet. You didn't lose many players (if any until January) from the squad that ended the season in 5th place. Once it got to January, signifcant investment was made on some good signings in Sissoko, Mbiwa (on paper), Debuchy, Gouffran etc. You ended the season in 16th, but also got to the Quarter Finals of the Europa League (it must have been dreadful)


Or maybe we see it for what it is, the fact that you have an owner who has ran you sustainably, has had a season where he has backed you financially and got you into Europe, has invested money into the playing squad without saddling the club with monumental debt and has you in a position whereby you are attractive to potential buyers. He also managed to covince a manager of Benitez calibre to stay with you for three years, one being in the Championship.

Stop talking sense man, yer divnt undastand.