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March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

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Exile 1968 said:
The Lord it about Benitez as he made them feel like a "big club". Nothing more, nothing less. He could have taken to them down to League 2 and it would have been Ashley's fault. Simple
They Lord it about Benitez as he made them feel like a "big club". Nothing more, nothing less. He could have taken to them down to League 2 and it would have been Ashley's fault. Simple
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I can see why you're on the subs bench.
 

They Lord it about Benitez as he made them feel like a "big club". Nothing more, nothing less. He could have taken to them down to League 2 and it would have been Ashley's fault. Simple
 
The Fish said:
That is unfathomable logic to me. Dubravka is needing to make more saves because we're allowing more shots. It doesn't mean Bruce is getting the best out of dubravke, it means he's not getting the best out of the rest of the team.
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Flogging a dead horse mate.
You need to remember that facts and truth are irrelevant concepts here, you need to base your arguments around what they want to be true not what is, what you don't think but they think you think, what you're not saying but they say you are saying, and their feelings.
 
AndyH said:
Flogging a dead horse mate.
You need to remember that facts and truth are irrelevant concepts here, you need to base your arguments around what they want to be true not what is, what you don't think but they think you think, what you're not saying but they say you are saying, and their feelings.
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OK facts and truth if thats what you want:
You have two managers. One of them has only been there 29 games. Over those 29 games he get comprehensively more points 35 to 29 than the last manager got last season. One manager is 8 points above the relegation zone the other is two points above the relegation zone. One manager gets you to the quarter final of the FA Cup at the first attempt, the other manager has fucked up the cup games at every turn. One manager gets a tune out of Almiron and the other cant. One manager develops his goalkeeper to one of the best in the premiership, the other didn't. One manager has a relegation on his CV with your club, the other hasn't. Yet after all that with a completely straight face you tell us the first manager is useless and the second one has done much better because the goalkeeper had more shots to save. Do you not feel just a little bit embarrassed?

It is completely and utterly mental and wouldn't happen with any other set of supporters in the country :lol:
 
rentaghost said:
Aye of course. I live in Whickham, most of my mates are Mags and I know some like you that are quite balanced and some that are in the Rafa is God camp. Any reasonably fair football person knows Rafa is a good, functional manager who did in my view what was expected of him as a Newcastle manager.
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Yeah that’s exactly my thoughts on him. He did a steady job with the hand he had been dealt. A solid 7/10.
 
Charmless Man said:
Could even argue he's doing slightly better in relative terms. If Bruce had Rondon up front you might have been having a very good season.
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I made that point on here a couple of days ago on this thread. How many more points would Bruce have had if we had been able to keep Perez / Rondon ?
All hypothetical of course but certainly worth considering.
 
The Fish said:
That is unfathomable logic to me. Dubravka is needing to make more saves because we're allowing more shots. It doesn't mean Bruce is getting the best out of dubravke, it means he's not getting the best out of the rest of the team.

Shots saved stats are not useless as they reveal how many shots the team are allowing. If you understand xG and xGA this accounts for the quality of chances. Understat.com shows Bruce's Newcastle are allowing more shots of a decent standard, 1.8 per game, 17th in the Premier League. 18/19 we were allowing 1.51 per game, 10th in the Premier League.

Both Bruce and Benitez have returned about 1.2 Points per game. By every other metric, and by your own eyes, Newcastle are doing worse this season than they did last. the only way they're not, is if you ignore everything including your own eyes.
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Nah I remember when Burnley finished 7th, they had the most shots against them. Their keeper had the most saves. That Pope I think. Some teams even use it as a tactic, allowing teams to shoot from distance.
 
6inarow said:
Bed sheets oot for the black box

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Now wouldn't you think that the Shadow secretary for science, research and digital would be up in arms about this and like one of her colleagues, have raised this issue in parliament?

Maybe not when you learn that the holder of the role is Chi Onwurah, the Newcastle MP. You know, the one who constantly raised the disgrace of Ashley's zero hour contracts up in parliament whilst there were more pressing issues like food banks in the west end. Surely, Chi wasn't moaning about Big Mike in parliament to grab cheap votes from her predominantly black and white electorate? Surely, she isn't keeping her mouth shut as she daren't add her weight to f***ing up any takeover and run the risk of being chased out of the city? :rolleyes:
 
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rentaghost said:
OK facts and truth if thats what you want:
You have two managers. One of them has only been there 29 games. Over those 29 games he get comprehensively more points 35 to 29 than the last manager got last season. One manager is 8 points above the relegation zone the other is two points above the relegation zone. One manager gets you to the quarter final of the FA Cup at the first attempt, the other manager has fucked up the cup games at every turn. One manager gets a tune out of Almiron and the other cant. One manager develops his goalkeeper to one of the best in the premiership, the other didn't. One manager has a relegation on his CV with your club, the other hasn't. Yet after all that with a completely straight face you tell us the first manager is useless and the second one has done much better because the goalkeeper had more shots to save. Do you not feel just a little bit embarrassed?

It is completely and utterly mental and wouldn't happen with any other set of supporters in the country :lol:
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This would probably be covered in the the part of my post in which I state you think we think things we don't and you say we say things we are not.

You say that i say Bruce has been useless and Rafa has been much better, i in fact don't say this and have never said this.

I would very much agree with Fish when he says the increased shots saved by the keeper do not show that Bruce has got Dubravka playing better but show that the defence over all is less effective as they allowing many more shots to get through.

If you are going to use stats to show a keeper has improved you could compare the shots saved to the goals conceded or something like that.
Personally i'm not a fan of using stats as they can be very misleading but if you are then use the right ones.
 
Nee Bale, but.. but.. but we've got awabs. A sign that players of that calibre won't be moving.

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Gobuchul said:
Why would anyone say that?

If the season resumes we could easily get drawn into a relegation battle.

9 games left. 3 against Liverpool, City and Spurs. So 0 points there.

Sheff Utd, probably 1 at best.

The other 5 are 6 pointers against Clubs fighting for their lives. We could easily get drawn into it.

35 points with 9 games to go, we should be safe, however, we are utter shite and if we play like we have all season and don't get some luck, we will slide down the table.
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Even though we got four points off those teams already this season??? And another three off Sheffield?
 
AndyH said:
This would probably be covered in the the part of my post in which I state you think we think things we don't and you say we say things we are not.

You say that i say Bruce has been useless and Rafa has been much better, i in fact don't say this and have never said this.

I would very much agree with Fish when he says the increased shots saved by the keeper do not show that Bruce has got Dubravka playing better but show that the defence over all is less effective as they allowing many more shots to get through.

If you are going to use stats to show a keeper has improved you could compare the shots saved to the goals conceded or something like that.
Personally i'm not a fan of using stats as they can be very misleading but if you are then use the right ones.
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If a goalkeeper is having a fantastic season for you it can be because he has had more to do but also because of the people and management team that are working with him Monday to Friday. It seems Bruce is criticised for the former but not praised for the latter. Whoever the next manager of NUFC was going to be after Rafa they were never going to be as 'functional' and defensively sound as Rafa. Bruce has played with both Almiron and ASM in his team by choice (i doubt Rafa would have done that) and hasn't had Rondon's set piece defensive quality to rely on. What he did do though was set a team out that could get comfortably more points than Rafa over the same amount of games and get you to the quarter finals of the FA Cup.
 
At the end of the day, Rafa, a champions league winner fits the ego of mag supporters. He’s the manager their fans feel they deserve.

Bruce is a journeyman who managed their main rivals.

It doesn’t matter who does a better job to them.
 
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