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March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

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rentaghost said:
Hes only been manager for 29 games. They are joint 10th in the goals conceded in the premier league. He has 6 points more than Rafa at the same stage as last season conceding less goals :lol:
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We're not joint 10th in goals conceded, we're 13th. We've conceded more goals per game than we did under Benitez, with the same defenders.

29 games is plenty of time to get the team playing the way you want, Hell, I read on here that 8 games should be enough.
 

The Fish said:
The defenders aren't worse. they haven't changed. The only parts of the team that've changed are the attacking midfield and striker positions. So why are we so piss poor defensively? Well, because Bruce isn't a very good manager.
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benitez is a better manager and a better organiser. but, didnt benitez play with 10 at the back a lot? its a lot harder to score against a team like that. does bruce do the same?
 
The Fish said:
We're not joint 10th in goals conceded, we're 13th. We've conceded more goals per game than we did under Benitez, with the same defenders.

29 games is plenty of time to get the team playing the way you want, Hell, I read on here that 8 games should be enough.
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Aye just checking again. 1 goals behind joint 10th and 2 goals behind Chelsea. 41 in 29 games is pretty decent. And yes 29 games is plenty of time. If you agree with that you cant fluke 29 games to get significantly more points than Benitez who was only 2 points above the drop at the same stage.
 
Millhouse said:
Who was in goal last season like?
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Dubravka was. Didn't need to make as many saves per game mind.

This season Dubravka has to make, on average, 4 saves a game. The most in the Premier League.
Last season Dubravka had to make, on average, 2.5 saves a game. 15th in the Premier League.
Squat said:
benitez is a better manager and a better organiser. but, didnt benitez play with 10 at the back a lot? its a lot harder to score against a team like that. does bruce do the same?
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Bruce tried to play the 5 at the back system that worked for Benitez last season, and we were awful defensively and up front. He's shifted to 2 CBs and we're still dangerously open at the back, but we are at least posing more of a threat in the final third now.
 
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"Any decent person would have to be extremely cold-hearted not to have every piece of compassion for Ms Cengiz, whose grief we can only imagine. But she is being used in a callous PR game to generate bad publicity for buyers of Newcastle United to suit an agenda which I’d guess is all about money."

She's being used in a PR game that is all about money? So are you, you f***ing helmet - that's the whole point of the takeover.

Some f***ing nerve to tell a bereaved woman he'd never heard of two weeks ago what she should be thinking.

All of the bits of that article I managed to read were appalling, but that particularly stood out. Takeover hasn't even happened yet. Imagine if it did and was actually successful - decades of those tossers up the road defending the most disgraceful regime in the world. What a football club, and what supporters!
 
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Dubravka was. Didn't need to make as many saves per game mind.

This season Dubravka has to make, on average, 4 saves a game. The most in the Premier League.
Last season Dubravka had to make, on average, 2.5 saves a game. 15th in the Premier League.

Bruce tried to play the 5 at the back system that worked for Benitez last season, and we were awful defensively and up front. He's shifted to 2 CBs and we're still dangerously open at the back, but we are at least posing more of a threat in the final third now.
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Seems Bruce has got the best out of Dubravka if he’s making more saves then. FWIW stats like shots saved are totally useless. They could well be daisy cutters from 30 yards out
 
The Fish said:
Dubravka was. Didn't need to make as many saves per game mind.

This season Dubravka has to make, on average, 4 saves a game. The most in the Premier League.
Last season Dubravka had to make, on average, 2.5 saves a game. 15th in the Premier League.

Bruce tried to play the 5 at the back system that worked for Benitez last season, and we were awful defensively and up front. He's shifted to 2 CBs and we're still dangerously open at the back, but we are at least posing more of a threat in the final third now.
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Yes and did comprehensively better than Benitez over the same games played. Maybe if Dubravka hadn't had quite as good a season he may only have done a little bit better than Rafa or maybe only as well. I do remember Dubravka making a couple of costly clangers last season as well. Or perhaps, along with Almiron, Bruce has got better performances out of those two players.
 
Millhouse said:
Seems Bruce has got the best out of Dubravka if he’s making more saves then. FWIW stats like shots saved are totally useless. They could well be daisy cutters from 30 yards out
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That is unfathomable logic to me. Dubravka is needing to make more saves because we're allowing more shots. It doesn't mean Bruce is getting the best out of dubravke, it means he's not getting the best out of the rest of the team.

Shots saved stats are not useless as they reveal how many shots the team are allowing. If you understand xG and xGA this accounts for the quality of chances. Understat.com shows Bruce's Newcastle are allowing more shots of a decent standard, 1.8 per game, 17th in the Premier League. 18/19 we were allowing 1.51 per game, 10th in the Premier League.
rentaghost said:
Yes and did comprehensively better than Benitez over the same games played. Maybe if Dubravka hadn't had quite as good a season he may only have done a little bit better than Rafa or maybe only as well. I do remember Dubravka making a couple of costly clangers last season as well. Or perhaps, along with Almiron, Bruce has got better performances out of those two players.
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Both Bruce and Benitez have returned about 1.2 Points per game. By every other metric, and by your own eyes, Newcastle are doing worse this season than they did last. the only way they're not, is if you ignore everything including your own eyes.
 
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The Fish said:
That is unfathomable logic to me. Dubravka is needing to make more saves because we're allowing more shots. It doesn't mean Bruce is getting the best out of dubravke, it means he's not getting the best out of the rest of the team.

Shots saved stats are not useless as they reveal how many shots the team are allowing. If you understand xG and xGA this accounts for the quality of chances. Understat.com shows Bruce's Newcastle are allowing more shots of a decent standard, 1.8 per game, 17th in the Premier League. 18/19 we were allowing 1.51 per game, 10th in the Premier League.

Both Bruce and Benitez have returned about 1.2 Points per game. By every other metric, and by your own eyes, Newcastle are doing worse this season than they did last. the only way they're not, is if you ignore everything including your own eyes.
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If this doesn't sum up the absolute blind faith demi god irrational 'Wor Wafa' worship then surely it has to be this. You have two managers. One of them has only been there 29 games. Over those 29 games he get comprehensively more points 35 to 29 than the last manager got last season. One manager is 8 points above the relegation zone the other is two points above the relegation zone. One manager gets you to the quarter final of the FA Cup at the first attempt, the other manager has fucked up the cup games at every turn. One manager gets a tune out of Almiron and the other cant. One manager develops his goalkeeper to one of the best in the premiership, the other didn't. One manager had Joelinton at his disposal the other had Rondon and Perez.

Yet after all that with a completely straight face you tell us the first manager is useless and the second one has done better because the goalkeeper had more shots to save.

It is completely and utterly mental and wouldn't happen with any other set of supporters in the country :lol:
 
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rentaghost said:
If this doesn't sum up the absolute blind faith demi god irrational 'Wor Wafa' worship then surely it has to be this. You have two managers. One of them has only been there 29 games. Over those 29 games he get comprehensively more points 35 to 29 than the last manager got last season. One manager is 8 points above the relegation zone the other is two points above the relegation zone. One manager gets you to the quarter final of the FA Cup at the first attempt, the other manager has fucked up the cup games at every turn. One manager gets a tune out of Almiron and the other cant. One manager develops his goalkeeper to one of the best in the premiership, the other didn't.

Yet after all that with a completely straight face you tell us the first manager is useless and the second one has done better because the goalkeeper had more shots to save.

It is completely and utterly mental and wouldn't happen with any other set of supporters in the country :lol:
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Can I please be exempt with the generalisation of Benitez worship !!?

In over 40 years of supporting NUFC this is I think the only point I’ve ever wholeheartedly agreed with SAFC fans on.

Benitez is on this pedestal for doing nothing more than a canny job. I’m going to repeat myself again, but Bruce is doing no better nor worse than his predecessor
 
mad cyril said:
Can I please be exempt with the generalisation of Benitez worship !!?

In over 40 years of supporting NUFC this is I think the only point I’ve ever wholeheartedly agreed with SAFC fans on.

Benitez is on this pedestal for doing nothing more than a canny job. I’m going to repeat myself again, but Bruce is doing no better nor worse than his predecessor
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Agreed, though we were starting to play some attractive football after Almiron arrived.
 
mad cyril said:
Can I please be exempt with the generalisation of Benitez worship !!?

In over 40 years of supporting NUFC this is I think the only point I’ve ever wholeheartedly agreed with SAFC fans on.

Benitez is on this pedestal for doing nothing more than a canny job. I’m going to repeat myself again, but Bruce is doing no better nor worse than his predecessor
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Could even argue he's doing slightly better in relative terms. If Bruce had Rondon up front you might have been having a very good season.
 
They Lord it about Benitez as he made them feel like a "big club". Nothing more, nothing less. He could have taken to them down to League 2 and it would have been Ashley's fault. Simple. Hes way past his best. Bruce is about right for where they fit in the pecking order. This takeover whether it goes through or not has shown them to be what we always knew. No morals and willing to accept a murderous regime to get a number No9. And I include my Mag mates in that.
 
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mad cyril said:
Can I please be exempt with the generalisation of Benitez worship !!?

In over 40 years of supporting NUFC this is I think the only point I’ve ever wholeheartedly agreed with SAFC fans on.

Benitez is on this pedestal for doing nothing more than a canny job. I’m going to repeat myself again, but Bruce is doing no better nor worse than his predecessor
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Aye of course. I live in Whickham, most of my mates are Mags and I know some like you that are quite balanced and some that are in the Rafa is God camp. Any reasonably fair football person knows Rafa is a good, functional manager who did in my view what was expected of him as a Newcastle manager.
Exile 1968 said:
The Lord it about Benitez as he made them feel like a "big club". Nothing more, nothing less. He could have taken to them down to League 2 and it would have been Ashley's fault. Simple
They Lord it about Benitez as he made them feel like a "big club". Nothing more, nothing less. He could have taken to them down to League 2 and it would have been Ashley's fault. Simple
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What does the tune go like?
 
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