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March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

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AndyH said:
I agree, I can't see the premier league knocking it back.
I think it's in their best interest financially.
I'm not sure if they could knock it back legally even if they wanted to.
Knocking it back would be a sizeable diplomatic incident so the government will be leaning on them to put it through.
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I agree.
 
Mr B said:
If it were rejected due to the Saudi’s having the ability to influence another club (Sheffield Utd), then it would have nothing to do with politics, piracy or human rights and simply be down to the existing F.A. Owners rules, which Staveley should have been well aware of.

This would allow the whole thing to be dealt with in a sensitive manner. However money talks and I’d be very surprised if it were to be blocked despite everything indicating it should be.
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I have told you before like but the power to influence another club is talking about the legal power as in having a financial stake in both clubs that would allow you to influence another negatively to benefit the other.
It does not mean that people think you're a baddie and you might threaten to do baddie things to someone else.

Just out of comedy value in what way do you envisage MBS might force Sheffield United to do something in Newcastle's interest and how do you imagine they will get them to comply.
 
AndyH said:
I have told you before like but the power to influence another club is talking about the legal power as in having a financial stake in both clubs that would allow you to influence another negatively to benefit the other.
It does not mean that people think you're a baddie and you might threaten to do baddie things to someone else.

Just out of comedy value in what way do you envisage MBS might force Sheffield United to do something in Newcastle's interest and how do you imagine they will get them to comply.
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And I have told you before but you chose to ignore the post so I’ll repeat it for you.

This test you say that doesn’t exist, would it be first one by any chance:
Disqualifying Events
- They have power or influence over another League club.
- They hold a significant interest in another League club.

You seem to be of the opinion only the second test exists, however that is only one of many. The PIF involvement certainly falls foul of the first test due to the highly publicised events which you are determined to overlook.

I’m not saying the F.A. won’t turn a blind eye to this in their pursuit of more money, but surely even you with your blinkers on can now see this.
 
MSC said:
I agree.
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Why is it in their best interests financially? I would say the reputational risk is huge and could tarnish the EPL brand. Ordinarily life ticks along, and Saudi gets on with its own business. Khashoggi, aside, most things don't get reported on mainstream media. Now the light will truly shine on Saudi Arabia. You often see brands fleeing a sponsor, for fear of getting tarnished. I am not judging Saudi and I have many friends working out there and I have had many fantastic Saudi students but, you can't deny, it has plenty of skeleton's in the cupboard:

I mean, did you see this:
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it is shocking and you could find many more.

You can shout all you want about Sheff Utd, but they don't get the media spotlight like Newcastle. It could be taking so long whilst the EPL see the reaction from major sponsors?
 
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Dilligaf60 said:
Of course she hasn’t. If it were us and not them she’d be squealing her tits off. f***ing hypocrite.
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she hosted I believe a talk in yesterday featuring press, fan reps, amnesty international, the widow of journalist etc.
I’m sure the details can be found online.
 
AndyH said:
I have told you before like but the power to influence another club is talking about the legal power as in having a financial stake in both clubs that would allow you to influence another negatively to benefit the other.
It does not mean that people think you're a baddie and you might threaten to do baddie things to someone else.

Just out of comedy value in what way do you envisage MBS might force Sheffield United to do something in Newcastle's interest and how do you imagine they will get them to comply.
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Are you not aware of how he cemented his power?

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mad cyril said:
she hosted I believe a talk in yesterday featuring press, fan reps, amnesty international, the widow of journalist etc.
I’m sure the details can be found online.
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Thanks, I’ll have a snoop later when I get off this train and get some decent internet access.
 
superdougle said:
Say ffp isn’t relaxed you can lose up to £35 million across 3 seasons, don’t think you have a massive amount of wriggle room. It’s not even a joelinton!
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You can lose 5 million a season plus 30 million in owner investment on the playing side of the business, this can be spread across any three seasons. That would mean 105 not 35 million across the last 3 seasons if you chose.
You could then add to that any profit over the last three seasons, i believe we have been making a profit but i don't know the figure.
You could also add to that monies owed in from transfers if it is more than owed out which in our case it is.
You could also add to that figure the full value of anyone that you sell. For some reason if you sell a player for 40 million you can list that full 40 million as income for that year even if they are paying in smaller instalments.
Also if you buy a player and pay instalments you only count the fee for that year so if you buy a player that is 100 million and you pay it over 4 seasons that is only a minus 25 million figure in the column not a 100 million.
you can also add to that a higher income than you have at present if you can show that increased income projection is reasonable.

they will have an awful lot of wiggle room if they want to splash the cash from the outset.

Not to mention the fact that there is a loop hole round FFP when buying players from Europe, well Spain at least not sure about the rest.

I am not saying I think they will or that i think they should spend this money, just that they could.
Mr B said:
And I have told you before but you chose to ignore the post so I’ll repeat it for you.

This test you say that doesn’t exist, would it be first one by any chance:
Disqualifying Events
- They have power or influence over another League club.
- They hold a significant interest in another League club.

You seem to be of the opinion only the second test exists, however that is only one of many. The PIF involvement certainly falls foul of the first test due to the highly publicised events which you are determined to overlook.

I’m not saying the F.A. won’t turn a blind eye to this in their pursuit of more money, but surely even you with your blinkers on can now see this.
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No I am not of the opinion only the second exists, I am telling you the first one doesn't mean what you think it means.

I will give you an example of having power and influence over another club.
lets say MBS wants to own NUFC lock stock and barrel personally and he also owns a 40% interest in Sheffield United. This would be blocked because he has power and influence over Sheffield United. We are talking about legally having power not that he might threaten his cousin but that he could legally make a decision at board level at Sheffield to benefit NUFC that might negatively impact Sheffield. This would come under the having power to influence rule.

The company PIF is buying Newcastle, PIF have no legal interests in Sheffield United, they have no legal power to make or influence any decisions at board level therefore it does not come under the rule of power and influence.

The argument you try to make is the man behind PIF is a bad man and might illegally threaten his cousin and get him to do something against his will. Well yer he could do that, he could also threaten any premier league owner exactly the same.
 
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Dilligaf60 said:
Thanks, I’ll have a snoop later when I get off this train and get some decent internet access.
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I havnt bothered reading it as I’m pretty certain it’ll be the usual guff and she’ll just be sitting on the fence. Scared to look at the reaction to Amnesty international.
 
mad cyril said:
I havnt bothered reading it as I’m pretty certain it’ll be the usual guff and she’ll just be sitting on the fence. Scared to look at the reaction to Amnesty international.
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I’ll let you know if it’s worth looking at.
 
wigwams said:
Based on just papping your pants a bit tho. Happened on here with our takeover. Slightest hint of it not going to plan led to 8 pages of panic
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I heard from a decent source. It won’t be concrete as realistically who will know the full detail but this person certainly knows more than I do ?
every day that passes with no news points to it. How long should it realistically take after all ?
 
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