Oh well. Time will tell.
I'm not expecting it to happen like, be something that stops it somewhere. Looks further advanced than we've ever seen, but believe it when it's done.
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Oh well. Time will tell.
I'm not expecting it to happen like, be something that stops it somewhere. Looks further advanced than we've ever seen, but believe it when it's done.
Super Ted
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Good fit for each other if nowt else.
Roker Mackem
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Hows the bacon did you say?
BeIN sports, a company owned by Qatar pay for a large amount of sport content (not just Premier league).
A pirate network pinches their broadcasts and transmits it over the internet for subscribers all over the Middle East (for the most part) via Arabsat a company based in Saudi.
Qatar and Saudi are very much at logger heads and Qatar believe that senior Saudi figures back this and a independent report found that senior Saudi figures are at least tacit in regard to the affair.
Nothing there to effect the potential sale of Newcastle i'm afraid. although if the sale goes through I suppose it might inspire the Saudi's to look into it as the more money going into the Premier League the more money for them.
Notice I stress the word IF
As I understand, it is a wealth fund that is buying Newcastle not a wealthy individual. The quickest way to reduce wealth would be to buy a PL club and try to break into the elite. The whole point of a wealth fund is to generate more wealth. A wealth fund would have to invest in as many areas as possible to diversify risk. Investing in football represents a diversification of risk. On that basis the Saudi guys would manage Newcastle on the Ashley model and not that of the early Abranovich Chelsea or current Man City models.
This takeover may not turn out as the Geordie nation expects .....
This takeover may not turn out as the Geordie nation expects .....
kingkeane
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This $260B fund is already invested elsewhere though yes? They’ve probably got an agreement with Staveley they’ll invest over a number of years rather than £200 on Mbappe
Depends why they are buying it.
If it is to make money you would expect the investment in the club to be modest.
If it is for brand awareness you would expect them to invest heavily. Up until a few weeks ago you probably had not heard of PIF, you have now.
When Qatar bought PSG after their initial massive investment they set in place a structure which gave PSG a guaranteed cash injection of 250 million a year, and that is every year up until the Qatar World Cup. The only thing they want in return for that is the positive advertising it gives Qatar for the world cup and a few high profile players have to do a few publicity things.
I am in no way saying that the Saudi's plan to do a PSG or a Man City, I have not got a scooby what their intentions are. As a Newcastle fan all i can say is that if the take over goes through I believe the investment will be significantly more than Ashley, how much more I guess we wait and see.
Can't see them buying the mags to make money like, Ashley's been barking up that tree for 13 years and there's a ceiling. Why would a 260 billion dollar company waste their time making piddly millions keeping Newcastle in the prem? If profit was the goal I'd say we were a more attractive option.
This has got vanity project written all over it which is what worries me.
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Truly embarrassing article. Shocking.
Shieldsman
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Given that the Amnesty International article is the main story on BBC Sport it will be very interesting to see what our local BBC news has to say about this tomorrow evening.
I’m guessing their true colours will be well and truly shown and we’ll get the square root of absolutely fuck all coverage.
I’m guessing their true colours will be well and truly shown and we’ll get the square root of absolutely fuck all coverage.
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As a Newcastle fan your worry is my hope, if the shoe was on the other foot i would feel exactly the same as you.
Time will tell and the deal does involve Ashley so I wouldn't be shocked if it falls through.
Just a wait and see I suppose.
Any progress being made on your take over? i have not been keeping up to speed on it, it has been an age since i visited your forum.
To be fair it's only the main story on BBC sport because there is nothing else to write about.
Lets be Honest when it comes to News in general there are for more important news worthy items to report at the moment than Amnesty International thinking Saudi money in the premier league damages the brand.
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Shieldsman
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Are you genuinely of the ‘I couldn’t give a fuck who takes over as long as there is money brigade’? I’ve been stewing over this for a good few days now and whereas I want a group with money to plough money into SAFC I do have a moral compass and genuinely would want a group comprising Bin Salman absolutely nowhere near SAFC.
Given that a proportion of your fan base have allegedly boycotted (notice the correct spelling there) Ashley for his supposed non investment / questionable business dealings does it not seem a bit off-beam that they are suddenly hoping for pretty much the biggest bastard on planet earth to become your major shareholder?
I guess this answers my previous question. Some of your previous posts had lead me to think that you were a little more educated than you’re average Mag (it’s a low threshold) but obviously not. You genuinely think that there is nothing wrong with an individual of Bin Salman’s track record taking over your football club and are dismissing the fact even Amnesty international see fit to get involved as trivial.
I’m desperate for any kind of success at SAFC but not at any cost.
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Their sister regime has owned ManC for well over a decade. The horse bolted long ago. It started in 1983 with Spurs ripping up Rule 34 (the F.A obliging) which opened the door to big business and break with the traditional fanbase. With the support of ManU and Arsenal, the same club kicked off the push for a Premier League in 1985. The same clubs were behind the pursuit of the retention of all home gate receipts. All for money. The F.A has been fully obliging at every turn. Even if Newcastle is not one of their 'pet' clubs, there is simply no way they can refuse that club what they've permitted all previous ones.
Shieldsman
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To my knowledge Shiek Mansoor has not alleged to have been involved in any contract killings, proxy wars with neighbouring states, beheadings or human rights abuses. There is a fundamental difference here.
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Their sister regime has owned ManC for well over a decade. The horse bolted long ago. It started in 1983 with Spurs ripping up Rule 34 (the F.A obliging) which opened the door to big business and break with the traditional fanbase. With the support of ManU and Arsenal, the same club kicked off the push for a Premier League in 1985. The same clubs were behind the pursuit of the retention of all home gate receipts. All for money. The F.A has been fully obliging at every turn. Even if Newcastle is not one of their 'pet' clubs, there is simply no way they can refuse that club what they've permitted all previous ones.
The Abu Dhabi regime is entirely in step with the Saudi regime. Mansoor's older brother has been guiding and advising Salaman for years.
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I'll give you an honest answer assuming you're wanting a genuine discussion and not just trying to start an argument.
If I could choose an owner to buy my club he would be worth trillions, have a past that is whiter than the driven snow, have a moral compass that is on par with Jesus Christ and his only interest in the purchase was to make the club great and the fans happy.
Sadly I do not get to choose the owner of my club or get any input.
Will I be happy if the club is bought, absolutely.
Will I be happy if they invest significantly in the club, absolutely.
Will i be happy if they invest in the area, indeed i will.
Will I still support my team, absolutely.
I will be genuinely happy they bought my club as long as they do right by my club.
Do i think its bad when a country has someone murdered, depends on the circumstances but in this particular situation of the journalist I would say yes that was appalling.
Do i like the way they live their lives in Islamic countries, their views on gays, women's rights, general freedoms etc. i would say i personally don't agree with it but it's not for myself to force my morals on them. If they wish to follow the dictates of Sharia law in their own country then that is up to them.
I can dislike somethings that people do and like other things they do. Because someone does things i don't agree with i don't have to universally hate everything they do.
Is it hypocritical for a Newcastle fan to bleat on about Ashley and Zero hours contracts and not do the same with these new potential owners? well obviously yes.
That's just life though when your trying to attack someone you look round for ammunition. Nobody from the Newcastle Side of things is trying to attack these new potential owners so they wont. Should they turn out to be nightmare owners then the Newcastle fans will look round for things to hit them with and with their human rights record their will be no shortage of sticks to hit them with.
Buzzers boot boy
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For what’s its worth which is not much here is my opinion on this.
If this takeover goes through it really depends on who is pushing the agenda.
If it’s the people at the very top of this Saudi takeover then they’ll be out to make waves as soon as they can by by hoying as much money at it as they can to try and get success as quick as possible. If their patience lasts more than 3/4 years then the mags could be in for a treat.
if however they start losing interest after a few years and are in it to try and use the club as a advertising/ money washing type tool, things could go wrong if success hasn’t been achieved quickly.
It’s not gonna be as easy as just buying the best players in the world to win everything as some of the mags may hope. It’s not the way of the world now. There are plenty of English giants who can compete never mind European clubs who will stop them cleaning up the best players available.
it’ll be a long term commitment if any success is to be achieved. Fingers crossed it’s a false dawn or failure.
end of the day though we can’t control what happens to them.
If this takeover goes through it really depends on who is pushing the agenda.
If it’s the people at the very top of this Saudi takeover then they’ll be out to make waves as soon as they can by by hoying as much money at it as they can to try and get success as quick as possible. If their patience lasts more than 3/4 years then the mags could be in for a treat.
if however they start losing interest after a few years and are in it to try and use the club as a advertising/ money washing type tool, things could go wrong if success hasn’t been achieved quickly.
It’s not gonna be as easy as just buying the best players in the world to win everything as some of the mags may hope. It’s not the way of the world now. There are plenty of English giants who can compete never mind European clubs who will stop them cleaning up the best players available.
it’ll be a long term commitment if any success is to be achieved. Fingers crossed it’s a false dawn or failure.
end of the day though we can’t control what happens to them.
I guess shares in Evo-stick must be rising rapidly then!!
There is more chance on me signing for Newcastle than the likes of Mbappe.
Bale, perhaps. They may decide to move for a marquee signing such as him. They would have to pay crazy money and that obviously comes with many difficulties these days.
Realistically (in the event this happens) we will be a solid mid-table side. We will be able to compete for the next level of player however to suggest we will be in the same market as Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal is just nonsense. The likes of Mbappe are LFC and City level at present. We are a decade of success, as a minimum, from that level so probably never.
I go to bed most nights expecting to wake up with the Minogue sisters, naked, making my breakfast. A similar likelihood.
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Buzzers boot boy
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I absolutely detest mags on here. I just don’t get it.
I know a lot of mags in real life who will be of this exact opinions me. Don’t u know why other mags would be here trying to swell their own heads with thoughts that safc fans would agree and sympathise with them
however if the shoe were on the other foot and I had to give my opinion as a Sunderland fan.
home and away for years and years I’d say this.
If we were being bought by the same scum bags I’d be trying to find every angle to work In Our favour. Majority would. I might not agree with what happens and condemit but,
it’s not the skunks fault that these people are buying the club.
It’s a possible life changing experience that could be handed to them by some group of people that as football fans may never come again.
as much as I hate Newcastle as rivals, and as much as I do t want any success for them whatsoever, if someone offered me as a 37 year old father for 2 young kids who are safc daft the opportunity to rise up the leagues and get into Europe with the hope for more I’d be doing everything I can to turn the other cheek to wheee the money comes from.
like all good humans I’d like to say no but as a football fan the majority would ignore the bad and focus on the selfish side of possible success. As much as it may hurt
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