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March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc
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Yeah but if you have 200k you don't have unlimited money do you? And the difference in proportion in your example is much higher. Sometimes you have to overpay and reluctance to gamble/stubbornness can be a negative.
Not saying the takeover won't be a big positive for them but if they operate in the transfer market with the same caution as they have done acquiring the club then they'll not get in the champions league. Considering the money they have, that would be ridiculous.
citybythesea
Striker
<<<it’s true, the amount of hyperbole for themselves is laughable.... Famous number nine, cathedral on the hill, hallowed turf, iconic stadium, famous black and white stripes...etc etc....who they trying to convince? Other people or themselves.
(it’s ironic that Newcastle fans tv page is using an angel of the north icon.....from Gateshead not Newcastle)
Dave the painter
Goalkeeper
What scares me is they were willing to spend 2-3 billion on Man United. They're spending 300m on Newcastle so would they invest 1.7-2.7 billion into the club? Arabs have to have the biggest and best of everything so cant see them being happy with having a mid table team
kingkeane
Striker
I am also not sure why they wouldn’t just own it themselves. Why do they only want a stake. I think the Saudis just want a stake in as many businesss as they can to protect them from having to rely on oil which the world is becoming less dependable on.
Randy Savage
Striker
Pretty much this. Since then, every time they have been on the precipice of fans walking away in significant numbers something has happened to get them back on side.
After a few mediocre years under Dalglish and Gullit, Robson came in and pushed them back up the league playing some good stuff.
After their first PL relegation they pissed the league from the start.
Pardew wasn’t popular, but he delivered a fifth place and more European football.
After McClaren, they brought in Benitez, who stayed post relegation. Imagine the scenario had they gone down to the C’ship with McClaren still in charge. Still getting 52k?! Not a f***ing chance.
Their crowds were down a fair bit this year so they just gave free ST’s away (about 10k). My brother took two for him and my nephew, but couldn’t afford to renew them, so it would’ve been interesting to see what the crowds would have been next year if others did likewise.
Going back to that Mag article. Newcastle have a huge local catchment area; Berwick to Teesside essentially, and across to Cumbria, although they share much of area south of Tyne with us, with Boro and, to a lesser extent, Hartlepool, coming into play on Teesside. Their nationwide support is predominantly exiles, some Keeganites and others who just fancied supporting them to be different. It’s small beer. As is their global support. Their global support is much closer to our’s than that of the elite. To get into the Man Utd ballpark they would have to win things (domestic and European) consistently for a generation. It’s not impossible, but it’s miles off.
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Dave the painter
Goalkeeper
Staverly wants to be part of the running of a club doesnt she and she brought the deal to the arabs so her 10% makes sense. The Reubens I'm not sure on apart from the fact they already have ties to Newcastle city and they know the area and business?
PIF dont buy full business do they, they only buy a % so they dont have to run it from day to day. Apparently they're getting yasir al-rumayyan be the chairman but hes running PIFs other business and is the chairman of Aramco. Having Staverly and the Reubens involved means they have other investors to run the club.
But if you want the biggest and best then why don't you buy Manchester United then? Nothing stopping them. Eventually the glaziers would have said yes.
Dave the painter
Goalkeeper
Because spending 4 billion on a business valued at 2 billion isnt worth it?
But their money is unlimited so its irrelevant and makes no difference to them. They don't live in the same world as us. They are settling. People who want the best don't settle.
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kingkeane
Striker
It’s a good point. They want have shares in the best in the business. NUFC obviously aren’t.
to own arguably one of the biggest clubs in the world. You pay the price.
to own arguably one of the biggest clubs in the world. You pay the price.
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Dave the painter
Goalkeeper
They're investor's so I'm only assuming they're going to invest? Build a business up
They're investors so I'm only assuming they're building the business up?
safc_grindon
Winger
Alex Hurst, chair of the Newcastle United Supporters Trust and editor of the fanzine Truth Faith:
"If – and it’s still an if – this takeover happens then it will bring back hope to hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in the north-east.
The involvement of Saudi Arabian wealth in the takeover is not a concern right now and ultimately any new owners will be judged like all owners are judged – by how they treat the fans and how they run the football club. Getting those two things right is the most important thing."
Malcolm Macdonald, the former Newcastle and England striker
"I don’t think it [Saudi Arabia’s human rights record] will be a big issue for Newcastle supporters."
Miles Starforth, Newcastle United correspondent for the Shields Gazette
"The ethical/human rights aspects of a Saudi funded takeover have been on my mind, and I think there’s an awareness on Tyneside of the issues raised by Amnesty International. That said, the overwhelming majority of supporters have welcomed the proposed deal."
Kevin Christie, writer for the fanzine the Mag
"I also understand the misgivings regarding sportswashing, but I’m willing to give the Saudi PIF the benefit of the doubt."
Jacque Talbot, freelance journalist and writer for the fanzine True Faith
"Many people have decried the potential takeover but, as supporters, we’re allowed to be glad that Mike Ashley is going while recognising that our club’s money will, in part, stem from a regime that’s fallen foul of human rights atrocities."
I'm posting this without comment. But asking the question - how are far are you willing to go for your club to be successful? What's OK with you? (Again, asking the question, not making comment.)
"If – and it’s still an if – this takeover happens then it will bring back hope to hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in the north-east.
The involvement of Saudi Arabian wealth in the takeover is not a concern right now and ultimately any new owners will be judged like all owners are judged – by how they treat the fans and how they run the football club. Getting those two things right is the most important thing."
Malcolm Macdonald, the former Newcastle and England striker
"I don’t think it [Saudi Arabia’s human rights record] will be a big issue for Newcastle supporters."
Miles Starforth, Newcastle United correspondent for the Shields Gazette
"The ethical/human rights aspects of a Saudi funded takeover have been on my mind, and I think there’s an awareness on Tyneside of the issues raised by Amnesty International. That said, the overwhelming majority of supporters have welcomed the proposed deal."
Kevin Christie, writer for the fanzine the Mag
"I also understand the misgivings regarding sportswashing, but I’m willing to give the Saudi PIF the benefit of the doubt."
Jacque Talbot, freelance journalist and writer for the fanzine True Faith
"Many people have decried the potential takeover but, as supporters, we’re allowed to be glad that Mike Ashley is going while recognising that our club’s money will, in part, stem from a regime that’s fallen foul of human rights atrocities."
I'm posting this without comment. But asking the question - how are far are you willing to go for your club to be successful? What's OK with you? (Again, asking the question, not making comment.)
Lionel Hutzz
Winger
Just comes across as sour grapes our fans suddenly acting like Human Rights Activists. I'm not that arsed as I think it will end in tears Ashley won't sell unless he's the only winner in the situation or he massively benefits from the deal.
The Albanian
Winger
What about those of us that have always been vocal about human rights, aside from football?
it’s not solely a human rights issue - MBS ordered the murder of Kashoggi. It’s staggering that someone with that on his record could ever be allowed into football.
Papa Lazarou
Winger
I think it's easy to sit in judgement while taking the moral high ground.
But then it happens to your club and you just maybe find it easier to accept and give them the benefit of the doubt.
Don't think I could answer the question until being in that position.
But then it happens to your club and you just maybe find it easier to accept and give them the benefit of the doubt.
Don't think I could answer the question until being in that position.
safc_grindon
Winger
Beheaded 37 people in one day. So one journalist wasn't going to bother him too much.
Football Dinosaur
Striker
A lot of their fanbase and their local MP took a stance that Ashley should go partly because of his buisness practices. Took moral high ground against him and now this is happening appear to have egg on their faces. Not so much sour grapes from us more pointing out yet another clear and obvious error in their mind set.
Edit... they do have form for rewriting history so should be fun to watch this with a regime with such a horrendous record.
Edit... they do have form for rewriting history so should be fun to watch this with a regime with such a horrendous record.
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