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March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

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kildaremackem said:
why buy it outright..what possible gain would they have?
the only reason to buy a football club oif that scale outright is because you want to launder your reputaion (like abramavhich..) these guys dont care about that so.....
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Exactly, but it's not all about reputation
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
You might be right. Just seems strange, not sure how it's been reported now but previously its sounded like she'd basically get people together, the club would be bought and she'd get a percentage share for her efforts. I get that if she has some great link to Ashley and was the one who could smooth it over, but seemingly they don't get on. And like I say the people linked have so much money surely they could get a meeting with Ashley any time they wanted, they hardly need her help on that score, and certainly wouldn't want to give up a percentage of future ownership in return! Guess things will become clearer soon like. To be fair the mags getting bought by some rich buggers was always going to happen eventually, safc just need to get our own house in order. As long as you win nowt I don't mind ;)
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the people linked dont wabnt to do meetings like that themselves..its very time consumig for what is a relatively small deal for thm..so they sed in the advisers first..

the whole investment banking industry is based on rich people outsourcing the early stages of deal negototiations..
robbied1 said:
Exactly, but it's not all about reputation
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no its not for them..so why buy it outright? if its for profit..then ownn in a consirtium so you can be diversified..just like the owners of liverpool and spurs..
 
Wolfhunter said:
I'm not expecting a Man City sort of splurge, but those boys joining with PIF who are worth 320 billion IS exciting after 13 years of Ashley. If that sort of money was going into Sunderland then you would be excited.

If you pretend otherwise then it is sour grapes.
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Off course I would, and I know exactly what you mean, but when there are quite a few parties involved, it's not always as clear cut as it sounds despite their wealth, it could end up a marriage made in heaven or it could go tits up
 
Botchie said:
f***ing hell. I was actually giving you reasons to be optimistic when mentioning that it looked like she'd paid the loan off. However because of your small mindedness you think everyone on here is out for an argument. Do you have a bank of old posts saved up for every poster? For every tongue in cheek comment you can find I can probably reply with links showing all the criticisms I've made on here about Donald. My advice (although you'll take as me having a go) this anyone but Ashley Ashley attitude doesn't mean that all of your problems are solved.
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He has nowt else to do man.
 
Wolfhunter said:
I'm not expecting a Man City sort of splurge, but those boys joining with PIF who are worth 320 billion IS exciting after 13 years of Ashley. If that sort of money was going into Sunderland then you would be excited.

If you pretend otherwise then it is sour grapes.
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No mention of this on the companies house documents.
 
kildaremackem said:
the people linked dont wabnt to do meetings like that themselves..its very time consumig for what is a relatively small deal for thm..so they sed in the advisers first..

the whole investment banking industry is based on rich people outsourcing the early stages of deal negototiations..

no its not for them..so why buy it outright? if its for profit..then ownn in a consirtium so you can be diversified..just like the owners of liverpool and spurs..
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Like you say it's a small deal for them, football clubs can end up being a money pit for a small deal, even billionaires don't like losing 100 million
 
Wolfhunter said:
Aye, the Rueben brothers alone are worth at least 9 times our current owner and are Newcastle fans, but it's not exciting?

Sour grapes.
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they are nnot newcastle fas..they support chelsea. they are from london and made their first pile of cash in chealea..
phillips10 said:
No mention of this on the companies house documents.
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thats because its the reubs brothers and stavelye..not pif..
robbied1 said:
Like you say it's a small deal for them, football clubs can end up being a money pit for a small deal, even billionaires don't like losing 100 million
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and thats why they dont negoate deals like this tjemselves early doors...
because stavely is the filter to determine how good a deal it is..if it passes her teet..they get more interested..
and also the rueben brithers donnt do publciity..and she does..so...they need someone to front it..
 
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HarrogateMackem said:
Yeah I think you’ve said it well. I do understand that, and I know I’d certainly be in the minority!

It’d be really hard about what I’d actually do about my displeasure though. Especially because I do actually enjoy watching us win. I would hate to sit through all this crap in league one just to sulk at home when we’re good. And I love the day out at away games or whatever! So just going to watch a non-league team wouldn’t be the same.

At the same time I have mates who are LGBTQ+ and I don’t know how I could call myself a ally of theirs if I’m supporting a club owned by the SA royal family every Saturday.
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there is no mention in the companies hosue filing of that family being involved is there? its the ureben brothers and atavely..
 
kildaremackem said:
they are nnot newcastle fas..they support chelsea. they are from london and made their first pile of cash in chealea..

thats because its the reubs brothers and stavelye..not pif..

and thats why they dont negoate deals like this tjemselves early doors...
because stavely is the filter to determine how good a deal it is..if it passes her teet..they get more interested..
and also the rueben brithers donnt do publciity..and she does..so...they need someone to front it..
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That's a bit contradictory though, so you say early doors they don't do deals tgen after tgat? If you don't do publicity you dint buy premier league football clubs. Like I say billionaires don't like any sort of businesses that don't make money. They could lose a 200 million in Newcastle then what? We've seen it before, the plug is pulled. From my perception these aren't man city type owners
 
robbied1 said:
Like you say it's a small deal for them, football clubs can end up being a money pit for a small deal, even billionaires don't like losing 100 million
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amanda stavely runs a fund..pcp..the money for the deal comes from the fund..the saudis may be invested in the fund..sure..but the point is..the fund is buying the club..mot the saudis directly...
 
If Mike Ashley can get £350million for them in the height of the biggest global pandemic since 1918 when there is no idea of when they can actually play a game again and they might have to pay back the broadcasters. Throw in you dont even know if you can play in front of crowds even if next season starts and then the obvious lack of matchday revenue. That would be deal of century for Ashley
 
robbied1 said:
That's a bit contradictory though, so you say early doors they don't do deals tgen after tgat? If you don't do publicity you dint buy premier league football clubs. Like I say billionaires don't like any sort of businesses that don't make money. They could lose a 200 million in Newcastle then what? We've seen it before, the plug is pulled. From my perception these aren't man city type owners
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joe lewis is the bullioanijre owner of tottenham..he put a gobby fronntman in..and its the gobby frontman who gets the publcity..not lewis,.
the ruebne borthers are buying the club..stavelyt is the frontman whi will get the puublciity..not them..easy..
the saudis arent buying it
billioaires frequently buy businesses that dont directly make money..abramavhich for example..they do it to launder their reputation or as a trophy asset...
rowley2 said:
If Ashley can sell that club, with a problem stadium, low level training facilities, based in the north of england and with no trophy for many decades he is a fecking genius.
The Telegraph have the move well advanced, and it's not Luke Edwards either. Jason Burt is a more reliable source.
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the huge crowds help like..
Gobuchul said:
I'll say this again, as a Dirty fairly old Mag, I would rather have Fat Mike than the Saudi's.

If they takeover, then I'm not sure if I would even watch the games on a VPN.

Horrible set of absolute !$nts.
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the rueben brothers and stavely are ot saudi.
the rueben brothers are british indian jews and stabely is from the ujk.
the companies house files make no mention of the saudis.
its stavely fund thats buying it with the reubes..the saudis may be invested in the fund, but stabely runs the investments, thats what a private equity fund is.
 
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kildaremackem said:
joe lewis is the bullioanijre owner of tottenham..he put a gobby fronntman in..and its the gobby frontman who gets the publcity..not lewis,.
the ruebne borthers are buying the club..stavelyt is the frontman whi will get the puublciity..not them..easy..
the saudis arent buying it
billioaires frequently buy businesses that dont directly make money..abramavhich for example..they do it to launder their reputation or as a trophy asset...

the huge crowds help like..
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I know what you are saying but Tottenham live within their means, exactly what Ashley is doing now, Newcastle in my opinion will never be able to get the kind of money in tgat spurs do , it's just not there in the north east
 
kildaremackem said:
they are nnot newcastle fas..they support chelsea. they are from london and made their first pile of cash in chealea..

thats because its the reubs brothers and stavelye..not pif..

and thats why they dont negoate deals like this tjemselves early doors...
because stavely is the filter to determine how good a deal it is..if it passes her teet..they get more interested..
and also the rueben brithers donnt do publciity..and she does..so...they need someone to front it..
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But PIF are the major shareholders are they not?
 
robbied1 said:
I know what you are saying but Tottenham live within their means, exactly what Ashley is doing now, Newcastle in my opinion will never be able to get the kind of money in tgat spurs do , it's just not there in the north east
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why not? by that logic safc doesnt have any of the potential people in here say it deos..because its in the orth east.
newcastle doesnt live within its means..it owes hundreds of millions to ashley according to the last accounts..
Dave the painter said:
But PIF are the major shareholders are they not?
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i dont know..the fund wouldnt disclose that...stavelye certainly likes people to think they are..good marketing for her..the deal could be they have 50p with her but she can use their name to attract other clients..but if its a mutual fund..it doesnt really matter how many units they own..the fund has to be run in the interest of all unit holders..
 
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