Have the fanzines cost us out potential?

[Roger]

He never said we'd get 100 points. He said we'd probably need 100 points to win the league so that's what we were going to aim for.

What's wrong with that exactly? Isn't that what any fan of the club would also have targetted?

He said

“We’ve got to dissect all of that and say what are we going to do to make sure we get or aim for 100 points next year? Because we know that 100 points is going to get us up and we’ve got to be as sure damn that we can be that we’re going to get 100 points.”


Then he said

”“It’s about getting ourselves into a position where we are a team that got 85 points last season to a team that gets 100 points next season.”

and Methven said he did not want to hear excuses from anyone, only statements and targets that will see the club break that 100 point barrier, an amount that should be expected from a team that spends twice as much as any other club in the division




Okay, they didn’t say we would get 100 points, but it was clearly a statement of what they both expected, and it was them who set the expectations, NOT us demanding fans who I think in the majority thought that was not realistic.

 

[fyl2u]

He said

“We’ve got to dissect all of that and say what are we going to do to make sure we get or aim for 100 points next year? Because we know that 100 points is going to get us up and we’ve got to be as sure damn that we can be that we’re going to get 100 points.”


Then he said

”“It’s about getting ourselves into a position where we are a team that got 85 points last season to a team that gets 100 points next season.”

and Methven said he did not want to hear excuses from anyone, only statements and targets that will see the club break that 100 point barrier, an amount that should be expected from a team that spends twice as much as any other club in the division




Okay, they didn’t say we would get 100 points, but it was clearly a statement of what they both expected, and it was them who set the expectations, NOT us demanding fans who I think in the majority thought that was not realistic.

So you agree with me then? That he didn't promise us 100 points, he just said that it was the aim for the season for us to go up and that would mean we'd likely need 100 points.

I still don't see what's wrong with that. We all want us to go up this year, and that means we'll need a certain amount of points. I can't see why this is being used as a stick to beat him with.

 

[TAD]

DREAMS NEVER END

I’ve written previously in ALS that, being a posh boy from Durham, I never quite knew whether I was like other Sunderland fans. I wasn’t like the families of striking miners or shipyard workers. I didn’t have the right accent and my dad smoked a pipe. And, when you feel like that, you think...

www.a-love-supreme.com

But don’t mistake what the fanzines and the podcasts are doing. They know they’ve no power, so suggesting they’re trying to throw their weight around is ludicrous. They’re listening to what is said to them and reacting accordingly. If you want them to say something else, tell them, that’s how they work. The brilliance of the fanzines, podcasts and the supporter’s groups is that they offer a chance for fans to be heard.



They can’t be the voice of the fans because, even on matchdays, we don’t speak with one voice. Fanzines give the chance for all voices to be heard but what you do with what you’ve heard and whether or not you choose to contribute is up to you.



Oh, and don’t take my word for it, I’m just a posh boy from Durham. Make your own mind up.

everyone's entitled to their opinions and personally I'm glad the fanzines said exactly what they did and exactly when they did and personally I thank them for sticking their head up and saying something
No-one saw the change on the pitch coming before the doncaster game. Just because things have improved on the pitch, doesnt change the fact that it's being ran with little ambition and leadership.

 

[BumbleBee]

He said

“We’ve got to dissect all of that and say what are we going to do to make sure we get or aim for 100 points next year? Because we know that 100 points is going to get us up and we’ve got to be as sure damn that we can be that we’re going to get 100 points.”


Then he said

”“It’s about getting ourselves into a position where we are a team that got 85 points last season to a team that gets 100 points next season.”

and Methven said he did not want to hear excuses from anyone, only statements and targets that will see the club break that 100 point barrier, an amount that should be expected from a team that spends twice as much as any other club in the division




Okay, they didn’t say we would get 100 points, but it was clearly a statement of what they both expected, and it was them who set the expectations, NOT us demanding fans who I think in the majority thought that was not realistic.

Pleased you're patience is wearing thin - lots of decent posters come a cropper because of this poster.

 

[fyl2u]

Pleased you're patience is wearing thin - lots of decent posters come a cropper because of this poster.

It's hardly my fault that "lots of decent posters" are incapable of having a discussion without resorting to over the top abuse.

 

[No. 1 is Gary Rowell]

In my eyes that's "bringing other investors on board", or "selling shares" or "selling part of the club" not "selling the club". Like you say, it's all just different points of view on the terminology.

But there's certainly a difference between the type of "selling the club" described by Campbell and the "selling the club" that SD is supposedly now looking to do.

So the people saying "the club has been up for sale for ages so nothing has changed" and accusing him of "blaming the fans in the process of nothing changing" are incorrect in that assessment.

I wouldn’t say they are, the quote from Campbell about clubs for sale is a direct quote and hasn’t been refuted. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree with how we interpret the terminology.

 

[Chewit]

Another clown. Methvens PR stooges on the board?

he’s asking a fair question. just because he may have a differing view to you does not make him a clown.... it’s been like a game of Wack a Mole on here. Anyone who dares to offer a contrasting view on SDs and PPs status has been swiftly attacked

 

[fyl2u]

I wouldn’t say they are, the quote from Campbell about clubs for sale is a direct quote and hasn’t been refuted. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree with how we interpret the terminology.

In the very article you linked he says that in the event of his "full takeover" SD would remain a shareholder. Clearly "selling the club" to him didn't mean "selling the entire club" and that a "full takeover" doesn't mean "buying 100% of the club". Your man Campbell said so in your own linked article.

I agree it's not how I'd describe it either, but it has clearly led to this rumour that SD has been trying to flip the club when he's actually just been trying to bring in other investors to buy part of the club with SD staying on.

 

[Chewit]

everyone's entitled to their opinions and personally I'm glad the fanzines said exactly what they did and exactly when they did and personally I thank them for sticking their head up and saying something
No-one saw the change on the pitch coming before the doncaster game. Just because things have improved on the pitch, doesnt change the fact that it's being ran with little ambition and leadership.

I saw the change coming? Please don’t speak for me

 

[safctommie]

It won’t effect the takeover, However the fanzines are self promoting, attention seeking and two faced. Roker report In particular are Sunderland’s version of Steve Wraith. All this voice of fans nonsense they certainly don’t speak for me

Nothing was as bad as TWR.

 

[Chewit]

I reckon it will be the greed of SD which will deter prospective buyers

what’s the club worth ?

I think most fans look up to the fanzines, especially the RAWA , once the @donaldout tweets started fans followed, but then again, if we are promoted, I don't think Donald can afford what we need to compete.....

I think it's time for a meeting between fans groups and Donald.....

‘ most fans Look up to the fanzines’ ...... are you serious. They are just normal good lads who you might bump into at the pub, there is no great insight or expertise there.

 

[Roker Mackem]

he’s asking a fair question. just because he may have a differing view to you does not make him a clown.... it’s been like a game of Wack a Mole on here. Anyone who dares to offer a contrasting view on SDs and PPs status has been swiftly attacked

Its a ridiculous statement though- fishing for bites really.

 

[No. 1 is Gary Rowell]

In the very article you linked he says that in the event of his "full takeover" SD would remain a shareholder. Clearly "selling the club" to him didn't mean "selling the entire club" and that a "full takeover" doesn't mean "buying 100% of the club". Your man Campbell said so in your own linked article.

I agree it's not how I'd describe it either, but it has clearly led to this rumour that SD has been trying to flip the club when he's actually just been trying to bring in other investors to buy part of the club with SD staying on.

He’s not ‘my man Campbell’. Did you read the whole article I linked?

 

[fyl2u]

He’s not ‘my man Campbell’. Did you read the whole article I linked?

I only meant "Campbell, who you brought up earlier". I wasn't insinuating anything beyond that.

Yes I read the whole thing. Was there something else you think I should have taken notice of?

 

[No. 1 is Gary Rowell]

I only meant "Campbell, who you brought up earlier". I wasn't insinuating anything beyond that.

Yes I read the whole thing. Was there something else you think I should have taken notice of?

Yes, the quote that included a number of clubs are for sale. That quote included SAFC. That is an interview in our local paper that is quoted as saying we were for sale and none of that has been denied by SD or the club.

 

[fyl2u]

Yes, the quote that included a number of clubs are for sale. That quote included SAFC. That is an interview in our local paper that is quoted as saying we were for sale and none of that has been denied by SD or the club.

We already covered this. In that same set of quotes he discusses how the "sale", which was to be a "full takeover", would still have SD as a shareholder, meaning that in his eyes, the terms "sale" and "full takeover" mean very different things to how you or I would normally describe them.

If you have a 4-finger Kit-Kat, and you want to keep one finger and sell the rest, and I buy the three fingers from you, would you say you "had sold me your Kit-Kat" or would you say you had "sold me three quarters of your Kit-Kat"? To you or I, it's clearly the latter. In Campbell's words in that article, you would have "sold me your Kit-Kat". Even though you still had 25% of your Kit-Kat, Campbell would say I'd completed a "full takeover of your Kit-Kat".

That's all I'm getting at.

So folks are saying that "nothing's changed, the club has been up for sale since SD got here", but it's not true in the way that it's meant by those who are saying that. The whole club (your whole Kit-Kat) was never up for sale until the joint statement from the fanzines, only the "three fingers" of it were. It's only now since the statement that he's trying to sell the whole club (your entire Kit-Kat).

 

[sksk3021]

I think there’s a chance it has an influence, will depend on loads of things.

 

[No. 1 is Gary Rowell]

We already covered this. In that same set of quotes he discusses how the "sale", which was to be a "full takeover", would still have SD as a shareholder, meaning that in his eyes, the terms "sale" and "full takeover" mean very different things to how you or I would normally describe them.

If you have a 4-finger Kit-Kat, and you want to keep one finger and sell the rest, and I buy the three fingers from you, would you say you "had sold me your Kit-Kat" or would you say you had "sold me three quarters of your Kit-Kat"? To you or I, it's clearly the latter. In Campbell's words in that article, you would have "sold me your Kit-Kat". Even though you still had 25% of your Kit-Kat, Campbell would say I'd completed a "full takeover of your Kit-Kat".

That's all I'm getting at.

So folks are saying that "nothing's changed, the club has been up for sale since SD got here", but it's not true in the way that it's meant by those who are saying that. The whole club (your whole Kit-Kat) was never up for sale until the joint statement from the fanzines, only the "three fingers" of it were. It's only now since the statement that he's trying to sell the whole club (your entire Kit-Kat).

Mate I think you’re being very naive. SD has put a value on the club, he’s had people interested in buying but it has to either be at his price or with him included. 2 possible takeovers have collapsed at the last hurdle due to what appears to be either his valuation or him staying involved. That suggests either he’s overvaluing the club to get his money back that he thought he’d make had we got promoted or he sees someone else with the funds to get us promoted and wants to earn a share of that. He banked on promotion last season and it’s back-fired and now he’s in a bit of a quandary but is scared to lose face. The club is too big for him, unfortunately.

 

[sksk3021]

Mate I think you’re being very naive. SD has put a value on the club, he’s had people interested in buying but it has to either be at his price or with him included. 2 possible takeovers have collapsed at the last hurdle due to what appears to be either his valuation or him staying involved. That suggests either he’s overvaluing the club to get his money back that he thought he’d make had we got promoted or he sees someone else with the funds to get us promoted and wants to earn a share of that. He banked on promotion last season and it’s back-fired and now he’s in a bit of a quandary but is scared to lose face. The club is too big for him, unfortunately.

Most of that is conjecture. We don’t know what happened around takeovers/investments.

 

[No. 1 is Gary Rowell]

Most of that is conjecture. We don’t know what happened around takeovers/investments.

Read the interviews that I’ve linked to the poster I’ve been engaging with. Or do your own research and you may see it’s true.