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AC Mack said:
I've no idea mate, it baffles me. In fairness, I see the point the others are making. Yet they don't seem to realise that you're still going to have the same problem!
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Its the same with all the 'suggestions'. They sound really reasonable in theory.

Only use VAR for 'obvious offside mistakes'!

Great idea! Who decides what is obvious and how is it decided?

Ah shit.
 


Bear said:
Clear foul on Deulofeu which should've been a penalty and a handball by Alli before he scored VAR gets everything right though
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Not sure anyone has said that like. It's improved the correct decision rate tho which is all that some people wanted.
 
Bear said:
Good job they can draw lines on the pitch to notice if someones big toe is offside yet cant manage to get the clear fouls right though
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More correct decisions. I take it you'll be happy once they stop missing the odd clear foul you are referring to?
 
Bear said:
Good job they can draw lines on the pitch to notice if someones big toe is offside yet cant manage to get the clear fouls right though
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Again, the big toe is unequivocal. It can't be contested. A foul can (always). Even when some argue its blatant. They feared a huge can of worms earlier in the season with over ruling a refs decision. They seem to be overturning more now tho.
AC Mack said:
I could link to my posts from five years ago saying it would be chaos mate ;)
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The fans, players and managers make it chaos. Until everyone is happy with every decision a referee gives, it always will be chaos. Can you ever see that happening!? Most decisions are contentious but up and down the land fans whinge and bitch like 5 year olds at every decision they don't get. That's what's brought us here.

There were a few simple truths in football. One is that most decisions are debatable, the second is that somebody has to make a decision.

If the refs were so bad, maybe the managers can self referee the games.
 
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VAR could certainly work but officials are taking their analysis too far. Why not say that if they can't make a decision, say in 1 minute the referee's original decision stands. I'm sure there's a solution out there but in it's current state it is a shambles.
 
sambantam82 said:
Pre sky football. You're on to something. I'll agree with you on that point. The scrutiny in miniscule detail of every decision has brought us here. The demand for getting it right! I still think there would be huge debate and chaos over what constitutes 'obvious'. Can you not see the can of worms that would be opened!
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Fuck yes I can see the can of worms but there needs to be a balancing act between letting the game flow and 100% accuracy. If say 3 var officials can’t 100% confirm a problem with the initial decision after one replay then it should stand. I dare say a lot of tight off sides will be missed but not the blatant ones. Thierry Henry's Hand ball would be spotted straight away but less obvious ones that take minutes of frame by frame analysis to determine if the hand brushed the ball may well be missed.
They can’t keep this shit up man, it’s awful.
 
I'm Spartacus said:
Fuck yes I can see the can of worms but there needs to be a balancing act between letting the game flow and 100% accuracy. If say 3 var officials can’t 100% confirm a problem with the initial decision after one replay then it should stand. I dare say a lot of tight off sides will be missed but not the blatant ones. Thierry Henry's Hand ball would be spotted straight away but less obvious ones that take minutes of frame by frame analysis to determine if the hand brushed the ball may well be missed.
They can’t keep this shit up man, it’s awful.
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I still think you'd get three officials struggling and stating in that case it wasn't clear and obvious and managers and fans screaming that it was. We'd be in a worse place I reckon.
ROKER PARK said:
VAR could certainly work but officials are taking their analysis too far. Why not say that if they can't make a decision, say in 1 minute the referee's original decision stands. I'm sure there's a solution out there but in it's current state it is a shambles.
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Again, fans, media, managers would totally lose the plot with that.
 
Bear said:
VAR doesn't need scrapping it needs to be used better by people with a f***ing brain and also the ref to use the pitch side monitors

Also a wild guess for once the petition wasn't made by a Liverpool fan ?
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You wait until you experience it, if it ever gets used in the lower leagues.

Every time there's a goal or an appeal, the game stops while you wait. It denies the team with possession the opportunity to take a quick throw in/dead ball Football always has been and always should be about split second decision making.

It doesn't matter how good VAR is, it is always going to be one persons decision/opinion on an incident. That person should be the ref.

As for Liverpool, ironically, they had a perfectly good goal wiped out through VAR when they played us.
 
iansun said:
All fans
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No but plently
bernardbresslaw said:
How do you know that it's the same fans?
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Becuase the same fans on this board that were slating refs and saying ‘something has to be done’ are now twisting now that something has been done!!
Steve H said:
VAR has resulted in more correct decisions being made, I am happy that it is by and large working well
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That’s the point that amazingly people are missing with VAR there is more correct decisions than without VAR.

Yet amazingly again you have some posters saying there is no one good thing about it!

Apart from the biggest thing more correct decisions !
 
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sambantam82 said:
Nobody talks about those decisions. The hundreds that would have been wrong in previous seasons that people got so upset about.
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The problem is most of these offsides are so insanely marginal no fucker noticed. Personally I’d rather concede a few midgies dick offside goals to celebrate the ones we scored. People weren’t ranting about this shit man, it was the hand of god incidents, deliberate blatant stuff that shouldn’t have been missed but was. Ok they might be getting loads more decisions right but it’s not added anything to the game, it’s f***ing ruining it, especially for the fans at the game.
 
I'm Spartacus said:
The problem is most of these offsides are so insanely marginal no fucker noticed. Personally I’d rather concede a few midgies dick offside goals to celebrate the ones we scored. People weren’t ranting about this shit man, it was the hand of god incidents, deliberate blatant stuff that shouldn’t have been missed but was. Ok they might be getting loads more decisions right but it’s not added anything to the game, it’s f***ing ruining it, especially for the fans at the game.
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I understand the 'midges dick' point. The problem is defining at which point on the midges / horses dick scale do we draw the line and then once a line is drawn we are right back at the midges dick conundrum.
 
Green Day Parker said:
Why not just scrap the offside rule?

It's a negative rule which prevents more goals from being scored. If attacking players were allowed to stand anywhere on the field then the defending team have to decide what to do.

A more open game would result in more goals.

Controversial I know but the offside rule is one of the things that is killing my enjoyment of the game.
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Just change it to onside so if any part of the body, excluding arms, is onside a goal stands.
 
Bear said:
VAR doesn't need scrapping it needs to be used better by people with a f***ing brain and also the ref to use the pitch side monitors

Also a wild guess for once the petition wasn't made by a Liverpool fan ?
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I've been against VAR from the very start. The first game I went to when it was used was West Brom in the fa cup in 2018. Liverpool got 3 decisions and I still came out the ground saying how terrible it was. I even remember posting on here about it. Liverpool, like all clubs, have had many decisions go against us. No penalty at home to Newcastle, Utd away, disallowed goals for mm offside at Villa and at home to Watford. Those preaching agendas in favour of Liverpool don't mention these but bang on about yesterday, when, by the letter of the law, VAR got the decision correct. I agree it's shite but its embarrassing to believe it's been brought in to assist LFC.
 
Cridge said:
If anyone's interested, there is a petition asking for the scrapping of VAR:

www.change.org

Sign the Petition

Remove the use of the Video assistant referee (VAR) from Premier League football
www.change.org www.change.org
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Sined.
scallyban said:
I've been against VAR from the very start. The first game I went to when it was used was West Brom in the fa cup in 2018. Liverpool got 3 decisions and I still came out the ground saying how terrible it was. I even remember posting on here about it. Liverpool, like all clubs, have had many decisions go against us. No penalty at home to Newcastle, Utd away, disallowed goals for mm offside at Villa and at home to Watford. Those preaching agendas in favour of Liverpool don't mention these but bang on about yesterday, when, by the letter of the law, VAR got the decision correct. I agree it's shite but its embarrassing to believe it's been brought in to assist LFC.
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Sorry, you can't really use the argument that "VAR has been just as detrimental to us as anyone else" when you've accrued 82 out of the last 84 points.

LFC in particular have been the beneficiaries of the worst aspects of this shambles, for instance was there was a "clear and obvious error" in the scoring of Wolves' goal yesterday ? Was there bollocks.
 
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Mackem00 said:
More correct decisions. I take it you'll be happy once they stop missing the odd clear foul you are referring to?
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It's not the point though is it? Far from creating more drama it's converting the whole spectacle in just the opposite. Dull as ditchwater non-event controlled by even duller technology.
 

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