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#DonaldOut

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safccfas said:
Yeah that’s what I’ve said, it was to cover the running costs of infrastructure. It’s costs a canny bit to run the club off field. If we are having to lend money to do this then we are in trouble already.

surely money is the only reason PP hasn’t been sacked. His tenure to date has been awful. He just needed to tweak a team that was on the cusp. Be a little more adventurous and turn draws to wins. He has done the total opposite and turned us into a relegation form team.
I’ll be amazed if we are making a profit and that’s with the £15m parachute payment. How are we going to cover that gap. See we break even this season. We are £15m worse off before we even start next season. That’s us instantly insolvent in any other business except football.
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I think the argument was that the investment in infrastructure was more because it hadn’t been maintained for years and this money was to bring it back up to standard.
There are probably only a few people who know if it’s down to money, I think they would argue he hasn’t had long enough to put his mark on the team, he has been successful at this level before etc. (I don’t agree btw).
Our income should be over £30m this year easily given the cost cutting I can’t see how we could be spending anywhere near that.
 

offmenut said:
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Probably just from me

It is massive, but it's a f***ing shambles.
Surely they could have come uo with something better than the substitution of a defender, or drawing against a Bolton team who have only lost 3 out of their last 14 league games?

Theres been a joint statement from rawa, als, rr, saying that SD needs to go as we drew v Bolton and PP put on a defender for a defender (when we were playing 3 at the back anyway).
Surely they could be putting out more sensible stuff?

A statement to state all the bad stuff SD has done.
To say why his position is untenable.
Or to say enough is enough, we will support you but the January transfer window needs to be good.
But not to say donald out as we drew v Bolton ffs.
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No point...whsts done is done... We all know why where here... All we want is change not to keep banging on about the fuck ups
 
Howard the Duck said:
I got a bit weary with the whole saga so didn’t follow it too closely but wasn’t the rumour that got the most traction that they were spooked, not by the valuation/cost of purchase, but by the level of work and investment required to get us competing for the Prem again? Wasn’t it suggested that they’re not really interested in owning/running a club at this level but would be keen to jump on board once Donald had used their £10m to get us in a more competitive position (pffft)?

That’s what I understood of it all but, as I say, I didn’t pay a lot of attention so I’ve probably got the wrong end of the stick.
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There were a few rumours about why they stopped wanting a takeover tbh. I'm sure price will have played a big part in it either way though. But aye, another one was that they'd looked at Leeds, couldn't see why we were a better bet for getting out of the Championship (even with bigger crowds we'd have much lower hate receipts due to cheaper tickets, we've got the academy but currently it's not producing much etc) so they were anxious about how much it would cost to get us to the prem given how many times Leeds (among others) have failed to do it. That'll still be a concern I'm sure, but again with a fair asking price now they could at least protect themselves against major losses if it proves hard to go the next step. We might be talking a £35m difference in valuation!

They definitely won't want to run us (obviously got loads of businesses and live in America so it would bea non starter). I think the idea of the £10m was to see if Donald could do the day to day running of the club. If he could then mint, they could be majority shareholders knowing someone competent could do it. The hope is that if he can't they will still want to take control (at the right price) but will then appoint their own people to run it. No one really knows for certain like but if, as seems likely, Donald can't even get us out of league one, and can't afford to run us in this league especially if attendances drop, then we need to be doing something to try and give the message that we want him gone
 
I'm not happy with how things are going on the pitch or behind the scenes but the Mags have been embarrassing themselves for years with these chairman out type protests and it has gotten them nowhere. The best protest you can do is just stop attending games. You can't get rid of an owner unless there is an interested buyer anyway and other than the stadium we have nowt worth buying right now.
 
roker beach said:
Donald told the supporters collective that FPP, when considering all their more trouble-free investments, were a bit apprehensive about the volatile nature of football in general and of our own fan base in terms of of reputational impact. That was one reason for a tentative start to a potential relationship.

That said, who knows what went on behind the scenes, and FPP would surely have enough confidence to trust themselves to take it on and make a go of it if they really want to.
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That’s the thing, if they really want to, they may have no real appetite for that level of hardship and all this may do little to convince them otherwise.

Having said that, they don’t really need to be particularly involved, just make the right appointments to the board to run the club for them (obviously easier said than done).

I’m by no means saying that I think the action is wrong, just thinking aloud regarding my reservations on it all.
 
ilovehorswill said:
The thing is Donald is stupid, or at least is susceptible.

The "£10m loan" people are focused on is for improving infrastructure. Stewart is basically investing that money into the club before he defaults the same money to FPP.

It's like giving Jamiroquai £50 quid for new window wipers then taking his Ferrari off him because he owes you £50. If he was skint. And deluded.
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Space cowboy analogy... Canny
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
There were a few rumours about why they stopped wanting a takeover tbh. I'm sure price will have played a big part in it either way though. But aye, another one was that they'd looked at Leeds, couldn't see why we were a better bet for getting out of the Championship (even with bigger crowds we'd have much lower hate receipts due to cheaper tickets, we've got the academy but currently it's not producing much etc) so they were anxious about how much it would cost to get us to the prem given how many times Leeds (among others) have failed to do it. That'll still be a concern I'm sure, but again with a fair asking price now they could at least protect themselves against major losses if it proves hard to go the next step. We might be talking a £35m difference in valuation!

They definitely won't want to run us (obviously got loads of businesses and live in America so it would bea non starter). I think the idea of the £10m was to see if Donald could do the day to day running of the club. If he could then mint, they could be majority shareholders knowing someone competent could do it. The hope is that if he can't they will still want to take control (at the right price) but will then appoint their own people to run it. No one really knows for certain like but if, as seems likely, Donald can't even get us out of league one, and can't afford to run us in this league especially if attendances drop, then we need to be doing something to try and give the message that we want him gone
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I think the Americans have played a blinder tbh mate.
 
Ciro_DiMarzio said:
I'm not happy with how things are going on the pitch or behind the scenes but the Mags have been embarrassing themselves for years with these chairman out type protests and it has gotten them nowhere. The best protest you can do is just stop attending games. You can't get rid of an owner unless there is an interested buyer anyway and other than the stadium we have nowt worth buying right now.
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We had a buyer for Christs sake. Why do people keep ignoring this? They changed their mind when Donald wanted to triple his money for a club worth less than he bought it for
 
I don’t think the statement really matters that much. It’s the sentiment that counts.

The RAWA involvement concerns me a bit, I’m not sure where they have got the mandate from? They have a meeting on 16th Jan to discuss which seems a bit pointless now.
 
offmenut said:
If you want SD out, why wasnt a statement put out about all the bad things he has done?
It seems from the statement that we want SD out as PP substituted a defender for a defender when he was playing 3 at the back anyway.

I find it pathetic tbh.
Surely it could have been better?
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Strange thing to whinge about.
Makes the statement look distinctly small time.
 
GBSAFC said:
No point...whsts done is done... We all know why where here... All we want is change not to keep banging on about the fuck ups
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But why do we want change?
What do we want?
What are we pissed off with?

Are we pissed off with his whole tenure, or just from the beginning of this season?

I might wrongly assume that most fans thought the job last season was just about reasonable.

So are we now demanding he goes because of PP or our transfer window or what?

Are we pissed off with how he has the club financially?
I thought most fans were relieved as for years we have been spending money we don't have, with the danger of going bust.
Now we had someone to streamline us and make us live in our means, but it seems that isn't what fans want and they want an owner to bankroll the club.

We all want that, but that's just a pipe dream really.
 
sksk3021 said:
I don’t think the statement really matters that much. It’s the sentiment that counts.

The RAWA involvement concerns me a bit, I’m not sure where they have got the mandate from? They have a meeting on 16th Jan to discuss which seems a bit pointless now.
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Not really. Could speak about active protests and turning the screw with it.
 
offmenut said:
But why do we want change?
What do we want?
What are we pissed off with?

Are we pissed off with his while tenure, or just from the beginning of this season?

I might wrongly assume that most fans thought the job last season was just about reasonable.

So are we now demanding he goes because of PP or our transfer window or what?

Are we pissed off with how he has the club financially?
I thought most fans were relieved as for years we have been spending money we don't have, with the danger of going bust.
Now we had someone to streamline us and make us live in our means, but it seems that isn't what fans want and they want an owner to bankroll the club.

We all want that, but that's just a pipe dream really.
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All of which are valid questions
But the message needs focus... That's what we got last night. It's a 1st we will need to take more steps to get the change we need
 
0verlord44 said:
The fact it’s four rival fanzine/sites together is more important than what is actually said.

he tried to play them off against each other and it back fired.

they came together which is massive I think
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The unity and strength is great. Shows what they can achieve.

Just the statement is (Imo) shite
 
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