A question for Trans-Rights activists

[GK]

I find it easy to basically ignore this subject and the people who are passionate about it. I don't pretend to understand it. Or care about it tbf. But women who were men should not play women's sport and that's tough shit on women who were men if they don't want to play men's sport.

Actually, didn't itv used to have a shit graveyard shift sports round up program called Trans World Sport? You don't have to be Roger Mellie to see the potential in that name.

 

[SAFCOldie]

If the purpose was to repopulate the planet then only people of either sex who were demonstrably fertile would be chosen. In which case it would make sense that the majority of those to be saved should be fertile women of childbearing age. You wouldn’t need to save equal numbers of each sex.
I agree that those of us who were born female have a very different life experience to those who may choose to be. There are important aspects of our lives they can never experience. Treating those who go to great lengths to become women as if they always were is not a problem for me but I resent it when they then seek to define my gender in their terms - especially when they choose pseudo scientific jargon such a cisgender for biological women which makes no sense at all. They may be trans but I am, and always have been, female.

lets be absolutely clear that in this situation none of us will have a seat on the rocket

 

[Monty Pigeon]

It's a load of bollocks.

Not entirely. This is the trans-woman I know. She is magnificent, and wise, and transitioned in order to be true to herself.

She has never asked society to accommodate her, and she has been on the receiving end of a hell of a lot more than any of today's self-identified beardy women. She's honest about the woman she is now, and she's honest about the man she once was. In a saner society, she'd be the role model for anyone with gender dysphoria.

 

[Deleted member 45261]

If the purpose was to repopulate the planet then only people of either sex who were demonstrably fertile would be chosen. In which case it would make sense that the majority of those to be saved should be fertile women of childbearing age. You wouldn’t need to save equal numbers of each sex.
I agree that those of us who were born female have a very different life experience to those who may choose to be. There are important aspects of our lives they can never experience. Treating those who go to great lengths to become women as if they always were is not a problem for me but I resent it when they then seek to define my gender in their terms - especially when they choose pseudo scientific jargon such a cisgender for biological women which makes no sense at all. They may be trans but I am, and always have been, female.

touche

 

[SAFCOldie]

Ideology and identity are now superseding scientific and biological facts.

Nobody is saying transgender people should not have equal rights and legal protections.

However, they are pushing it too far now to the point they do not want to accept empirical reality and demand thus their rights, trump those of others.

I always live by the rule anyone can live their life however they want, as long as it does not infringe on my freedoms/rights as an equal.

 

[Deleted member 45261]

Not entirely. This is the trans-woman I know. She is magnificent, and wise, and transitioned in order to be true to herself.

She has never asked society to accommodate her, and she has been on the receiving end of a hell of a lot more than any of today's self-identified beardy women. She's honest about the woman she is now, and she's honest about the man she once was. In a saner society, she'd be the role model for anyone with gender dysphoria.

Is that what you've got mate? it's OK you know

 

[SAFCOldie]

There is/was a barwoman in our town known as 'Della the fella', she never got abuse in fact lads would stand up and protect, because she did not shove it in our faces and just did what she did like any citizen. These idiots don't actually realise how much damage they are doing and it spans many topics.

 

[Monty Pigeon]

I am with you generally on that. Love a good debate over topical issues. You just seemed to be getting too worked up on this one.

How often have you been called 'subhuman scum' for articulating the undisputed, biological truth?

To be honest, I'm not 'worked up'. I'm narked. I've followed this issue with growing disbelief for months. I've watched my friend Graham Linehan take appalling flack without intervening because I knew the moment I expressed an opinion people come after me. But the time comes when any sentient person can't think anything other than 'this is insane'.

So I'm not worked up, but I'm engaged. A lot of good women, and all too few men, have been fighting this battle. Now I am too.

 

[Hair Flick]

How often have you been called 'subhuman scum' for articulating the undisputed, biological truth?

To be honest, I'm not 'worked up'. I'm narked. I've followed this issue with growing disbelief for months. I've watched my friend Graham Linehan take appalling flack without intervening because I knew the moment I expressed an opinion people come after me. But the time comes when any sentient person can't think anything other than 'this is insane'.

So I'm not worked up, but I'm engaged. A lot of good women, and all too few men, have been fighting this battle. Now I am too.

Father Ted & IT Crowd Graham Linehan?

 

[Deleted member 45261]

How often have you been called 'subhuman scum' for articulating the undisputed, biological truth?

To be honest, I'm not 'worked up'. I'm narked. I've followed this issue with growing disbelief for months. I've watched my friend Graham Linehan take appalling flack without intervening because I knew the moment I expressed an opinion people come after me. But the time comes when any sentient person can't think anything other than 'this is insane'.

So I'm not worked up, but I'm engaged. A lot of good women, and all too few men, have been fighting this battle. Now I am too.

are you OK?

 

[Monty Pigeon]

Is that what you've got mate? it's OK you know

Watch the video. You'll be better for it.

The vast majority of us are perfectly comfortable as we are. Well done us.

Some people have gender dysphoria, which is real and difficult. Now, many more people have self-identificationitis, which is easy and gives them enormous power to be a victim and a bully at the same time.

 

[Deleted member 45261]

I always live by the rule anyone can live their life however they want, as long as it does not infringe on my freedoms/rights as an equal.

And by that token I have been the victim of 'positive' discrimination on several occasions in both employment and education, some quite recently, I am firmly of the opinion that positive discrimination is nothing short of an oxymoron.

Watch the video. You'll be better for it.

The vast majority of us are perfectly comfortable as we are. Well done us.

Some people have gender dysphoria, which is real and difficult. Now, many more people have self-identificationitis, which is easy and gives them enormous power to be a victim and a bully at the same time.

are you joking here?

 

[Monty Pigeon]

Father Ted & IT Crowd Graham Linehan?

Yep. He's been one of the few male celebrities to tackle this issue publicly. I've known him for years, and I've watched him fight the lone battle on Twitter. He's had death threats and has had the police called on him. I've admired his courage but haven't shared it. I think the time has come to step up and be counted.

are you joking here?

What don't you get?

Jan Morris is a remarkable human being who coped with gender dysphoria. Most us - certainly me , perhaps you - don't have it. Many of the self-identifying crowd don't have it either, but are using it as an excuse for social recognition and influence.

 

[SAFCOldie]

And by that token I have been the victim of 'positive' discrimination on several occasions in both employment and education, some quite recently, I am firmly of the opinion that positive discrimination is nothing short of an oxymoron.

I'm talking about 30+ year to today, before it even became a thing, this person didn't have any of that nonsence and just was part of the fabric.. Either way very good to see OP, respected poster on here, taking a bit of red pill

 

[Deleted member 45261]

What don't you get?

Jan Morris is a remarkable human being who coped with gender dysphoria. Most us - certainly me , perhaps you - don't have it. Many of the self-identifying crowd don't have it either, but are using it as an excuse for social recognition and influence.

You obviously know a lot more about it than me mate, and for that reason I'm going to say that I think theres far too much pandering goes on these days and its causing a lot more problems than it's solving, also I'm out, as are you now, it seems.

 

[SAFCOldie]

Where's slippery Jimothy, he normally likes to fire out a few scuds in these discussions.

 

[Deleted member 27897]

The trans women learning how to be more feminine

Nicole Thornbur goes to specialist studios in Manchester that teach trans women how to be more feminine.

www.bbc.com

And it's things like this as to why I will firmly support moves to cut funding to the BBC and scrap the license fee.

It's played a hefty role in peddling this ideological bullshit and the taxpayer shouldn't have to fit the bill.

 

[fyl2u]

Yes it is. That's what anyone who questions the right of someone with a penis and a beard to self-declare as a woman is faced with. "We're right, you're wrong, chill."

But the question still stands: can a woman with a penis and a beard give birth?

So you're saying you have to be fertile to be classed as a woman?

So anyone that's been through menopause or had a hysterectomy or is otherwise unable to give birth shouldn't be called a "woman" or referred to as "she"? Is that what you're saying?

What about otherwise fertile young women who are on the pill? They're unable to give birth while they're on it. Should they be denied feminine descriptors too?

 

[spitfire]

As always you give wranguns any sort of leeway or credence and they have to push it too far. Weirdos

 

[Skandhaless]

If the purpose was to repopulate the planet then only people of either sex who were demonstrably fertile would be chosen. In which case it would make sense that the majority of those to be saved should be fertile women of childbearing age. You wouldn’t need to save equal numbers of each sex.
I agree that those of us who were born female have a very different life experience to those who may choose to be. There are important aspects of our lives they can never experience. Treating those who go to great lengths to become women as if they always were is not a problem for me but I resent it when they then seek to define my gender in their terms - especially when they choose pseudo scientific jargon such a cisgender for biological women which makes no sense at all. They may be trans but I am, and always have been, female.

Of course , maybe 90 women to 10 men ,given it just breeding were looking at not group protection via physical strength (if so maybe 30/70). Also a dilemma for many that they would have to show predjudice against the old, disabled and genetically susceptible , homosexuals could of course still come as could the transgendered really as long as they were classed in the male intake and could function as male biologically, what if they were a genius .
Small people need not apply although perhaps we would be better starting again smaller , needing less resource . Race mixing an advantage in terms of genetic spread , sorry MBH, whoever you are transitioned to being.

Generally I am not sympathetic to the political aspects of trans although each genuine experience is a tragedy for someone believing and feeling they inhabit another gender and women are becoming identity defensive in a way males would never be allowed to be . You don't get men complaining that female to male transitioned are claiming their identity we just say "oh whey aye " and ruffle their head.