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Give it to Bally

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Perryqhill said:
I might or might not agree, but when the fuck was Jack Ross ever up to managing SAFC?

First step for me is getting out of this league and I doubt it'll be done by some tactical genius, look around: determination, fight, unity and positivity are massive at this level.

Everytime Ball has been caretaker we've had fight and positivity, even if we've also been a bit naïve.
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Short termism at its best
 
Themig said:
Short termism at its best
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Name me a serious long term manager suggestion at this level.

Name me someone who has the character or experience not to freeze under the pressure and expectation.

It needs to be a short term appointment, because we need short term results i.e. promotion. Talk about long term ones all you like, that's apparently what Ross - positive and forward thinking was alleged to be and he delivered none of that. That's because we're fishing in a pond where most wont bite or the ones that will have already been caught, barring something a bit left field.
 
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Perryqhill said:
Name me a serious long term manager suggestion at this level.

Name me someone who has the character or experience not to freeze under the pressure and expectation.

It needs to be a short term appointment, because we need short term results i.e. promotion. Talk about long term ones all you like, that's apparently what Ross - positive and forward thinking was alleged to be and he delivered none of that. That's because we're fishing in a pond where most wont bite or the ones that will have already been caught, barring something a bit left field.
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You’ve said yourself he’s not tactically astute. Bollocking players and shouting at them to get stuck in will only get you so far
 
girojim said:
Give me one good reason why not?
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One win in 12/13 when he has done it .
girojim said:
2006 was a a write off

and two losses to Man U and Liverpool?

Hardly worth writing him off is it?

iirc he was the only manager to get any kind of tune of of giacherinni. Playing him as a no 10
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Got a tune out of him when we pressed for an hour and then got picked off . Champion
 
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Themig said:
You’ve said yourself he’s not tactically astute. Bollocking players and shouting at them to get stuck in will only get you so far
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I haven't said that. I said we were sometimes naïve when he was in charge before - I have no idea if he is or isn't tactically astute. I said what I said as he tried to be positive and have a go at sides in an attacking sense, when on a couple of occasions it left us more open as a result or we simply weren't good enough, but it was positive. IMO we need to lose the shackles if we're to progress though and we're wide open as it is so someone bringing that approach is what I'd be wanting anyway.

I happen to think at this level, given how managers are often fresh in and have made an impact when not experienced that being positive (especially with decent players) and being strong mentally knowing what you want and not getting caught in some kind of hybrid turgid style because you can't play the formation or way you want to like Ross, whilst getting everyone together on and off the field will do more good than someone coming in here at this level and being so tactically aware they overcomplicate things.
 
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Themig said:
Bollocking players and shouting at them to get stuck in will only get you so far
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That's a quite lazy comment as well. Jordan Pickford and others wouldn't suggest that was even the case. People are keep harping on about Allardyce as if there's ever a chance he'd come back for the slog, yet Allardyce was a similar no nonsense player, yet was quite advanced in some of the techniques he uses. Strong characters, with a positive mentality, maybe with the experience of being at a bigger club is 100% the way we should be looking, be it Ball or someone else and I'm not even saying it should be Ball, I just can't see why some dismiss it so easily and then would recommend someone who has done reasonably well in League One or Two like Ainsworth or the Cowley's when there's absolutely no comparison with what they'd face here. We do not need another highly rate manager coming here and trying to be too clever and making unnatural choices because it's too big for them when pressure hits.
 
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Perryqhill said:
That's a quite lazy comment as well. Jordan Pickford and others wouldn't suggest that was even the case. People are keep harping on about Allardyce as if there's ever a chance he'd come back for the slog, yet Allardyce was a similar no nonsense player, yet was quite advanced in some of the techniques he uses. Strong characters, with a positive mentality, maybe with the experience of being at a bigger club is 100% the way we should be looking, be it Ball or someone else. We do not need another highly rate manager coming here and trying to be too clever and making unnatural choices because it's too big for them when pressure hits.
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I know someone who coached at the club when ball was there. Beyond dishing out bollockings he had little else to offer by all accounts
 
Coeus said:
I dont see the problem. Despite common perception, everytime he has had it, there has been a relative upturn in performance or result.

Too many folk think the future of this club relies upon a manager.
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What a load of shite man, he’s not a manager, he’s a top bloke but he’s not a manager and he’s absolutely not the answer now.
 
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