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It's all coming down to timing now. The fans being toxic towards Ross is either horrendous timing as it's ll going Pete Tong just as they want to announce a new dawn and this will ruin it..

Or its fantastic timing. SD was giving him 10 games anyway, hes already made the decision and he either gets this sacking out the way before the takeover announcement, or as part of it.

Ultimately though theres a very tricky PR exercise needed shortly.
 

I might be wrong but didn't SD throw a shed load of money (it was for that league)at Eastleigh without achieving anything in real football terms other than raising the profile of Eastleigh.
if that is the case he has no more football acumen than the average fan on the terraces and sanctioning the transfer dealings with SAFC that have happened during his tenure haven't been noted for their quality
I would imagine the new owners would want much more football expertise than what SD'S record shows that he has .
 
Abu Dhabi Red and White said:
Of course, but many decisions (including key ones) will be made by SD and the new set up on the ground (whatever that may be).

But my point is that they won't be making all the decisions in isolation because they aren't qualified about footy or Sunderland (yet).
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Yeah I agree with you, I have no problem long term s they will realise we don't have good football people at the club, but that takes time.

This season though, means we have big problems
Monument View said:
I might be wrong but didn't SD throw a shed load of money (it was for that league)at Eastleigh without achieving anything in real football terms other than raising the profile of Eastleigh.
if that is the case he has no more football acumen than the average fan on the terraces and sanctioning the transfer dealings with SAFC that have happened during his tenure haven't been noted for their quality
I would imagine the new owners would want much more football expertise than what SD'S record shows that he has .
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He doesn't, you are right, not even a real criticism, why would he? Just a bloke who owns an insurance company

However, he appointed the likes of Coton, Hill and Ross, its not good enough leadership.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
Fair enough mate, but like I say we'll see, I don't think any of the press has been massively accurate on this thus far, when they come in we'll know if there's immediate change and we'll hear their thoughts but until then I think everyone is guessing. Just hope it's done tomorrow, even if Ross stays (hope he doesn't), the speculation can't be helping him or the team
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By the way I am talking about this season, I'd be amazed if they came in guns blazing and changed the football people of the club, who would they know? where would their advice be coming from?

Long term, if we are underachieving, you'd think they changed it

We just cant be in this league another year.
 
Monument View said:
I might be wrong but didn't SD throw a shed load of money (it was for that league)at Eastleigh without achieving anything in real football terms other than raising the profile of Eastleigh.
if that is the case he has no more football acumen than the average fan on the terraces and sanctioning the transfer dealings with SAFC that have happened during his tenure haven't been noted for their quality
I would imagine the new owners would want much more football expertise than what SD'S record shows that he has .
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Happy with what SD has done to stabilise the club financially and hopefully new owners with financial clout
but your right They need to bring some real football people in to move things forward where it matters on the pitch.
 
no one seems to have said the 'staffing issues' may actually involve a complete change, SD and CM have done us proud whatever you may think of them, they never lied about the need for investment and i think they were hoping to get out of this league at the first attempt so this investment has come along at the right time as sartori was always stated as being there for the championship.

now, the three of them may well get a handsome 'bonus' out of the deal and i for one, would not begrudge them it, we hardly had a line of people knocking on bain's door when we were close to administration remember, these guys came along and did (what i consider) a lot of work to get the club near sustainable, good luck to them.

the new blokes may have already taken advice and for all we know, may even have spoken to Mr Short and i think we can guess what his advice would be and that would be to make sure they get experienced football people in...and as they will be handing over a decent wedge for the club they could well be now sorting out the people they want in for the football side, this will obviously take time and could explain why it seems to be taking forever.

of course this is as much speculation as everything else, i have no 'proof' or inside info, just my own thoughts.
 
samwise said:
no one seems to have said the 'staffing issues' may actually involve a complete change, SD and CM have done us proud whatever you may think of them, they never lied about the need for investment and i think they were hoping to get out of this league at the first attempt so this investment has come along at the right time as sartori was always stated as being there for the championship.

now, the three of them may well get a handsome 'bonus' out of the deal and i for one, would not begrudge them it, we hardly had a line of people knocking on bain's door when we were close to administration remember, these guys came along and did (what i consider) a lot of work to get the club near sustainable, good luck to them.

the new blokes may have already taken advice and for all we know, may even have spoken to Mr Short and i think we can guess what his advice would be and that would be to make sure they get experienced football people in...and as they will be handing over a decent wedge for the club they could well be now sorting out the people they want in for the football side, this will obviously take time and could explain why it seems to be taking forever.

of course this is as much speculation as everything else, i have no 'proof' or inside info, just my own thoughts.
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To be brutally honest i am not sure if (and i am open to counter arguments done) and co have done much better than what the officiac reciever would have done if we would have gone into administration!they have created a skeleton crew to run the business and sold off all the assets that were a drain on the club ready for resale.........i for one dont begrudge them a profit and all of this will be forgotten if they sell us to the deltastics! i howeve dont get the hero worship they get on here!
 
oddbod said:
To be brutally honest i am not sure if (and i am open to counter arguments done) and co have done much better than what the officiac reciever would have done if we would have gone into administration!they have created a skeleton crew to run the business and sold off all the assets that were a drain on the club ready for resale.........i for one dont begrudge them a profit and all of this will be forgotten if they sell us to the deltastics! i howeve dont get the hero worship they get on here!
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being honest, some just called them from the word go for being 'chancers', i always figured at some point they would sell on and make a few quid ( or a few million :p ) ...either way, if whatever happens, however it is run, whoever is 'sacked', if it means a quick return to the promised land and being able to compete rather than stinking out the league i will be a happy chappie again.
 
oddbod said:
To be brutally honest i am not sure if (and i am open to counter arguments done) and co have done much better than what the officiac reciever would have done if we would have gone into administration!they have created a skeleton crew to run the business and sold off all the assets that were a drain on the club ready for resale.........i for one dont begrudge them a profit and all of this will be forgotten if they sell us to the deltastics! i howeve dont get the hero worship they get on here!
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Big difference between administration and receivership
But wouldn't want my club involved in either
Unless your a fan of League two
 
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Zidane said:
It's all coming down to timing now. The fans being toxic towards Ross is either horrendous timing as it's ll going Pete Tong just as they want to announce a new dawn and this will ruin it..

Or its fantastic timing. SD was giving him 10 games anyway, hes already made the decision and he either gets this sacking out the way before the takeover announcement, or as part of it.

Ultimately though theres a very tricky PR exercise needed shortly.
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Whats the point of sacking him if Donald is in charge of appointing the new manager?
samwise said:
no one seems to have said the 'staffing issues' may actually involve a complete change, SD and CM have done us proud whatever you may think of them, they never lied about the need for investment and i think they were hoping to get out of this league at the first attempt so this investment has come along at the right time as sartori was always stated as being there for the championship.

now, the three of them may well get a handsome 'bonus' out of the deal and i for one, would not begrudge them it, we hardly had a line of people knocking on bain's door when we were close to administration remember, these guys came along and did (what i consider) a lot of work to get the club near sustainable, good luck to them.

the new blokes may have already taken advice and for all we know, may even have spoken to Mr Short and i think we can guess what his advice would be and that would be to make sure they get experienced football people in...and as they will be handing over a decent wedge for the club they could well be now sorting out the people they want in for the football side, this will obviously take time and could explain why it seems to be taking forever.

of course this is as much speculation as everything else, i have no 'proof' or inside info, just my own thoughts.
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Have they?

they've been average as fuck, its been a ruthless cost cutting exercise, no more than that

They've basically benefited from just not being Short or Bain

imagine if Bain had done all this
 
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Guinness Guzzler said:
To be fair neither you nor I have any idea how they will operate. They'll have been in a box with people representing the club, so that means nowt, they're hardly going to say "nah, we're not going in with him". As for Donalds show, well firstly he did sack managers at Eastleigh so I'm sure he's capable of it especially after watching that performance from the away end, and even more so when he realises this is a major chance for him to make a lot of money, and secondly I think he'll do as he's told when he's no longer majority shareholder. These new blokes aren't going to buy a club and then listen to Stewart Donald for too long. Plenty of new owners have come in and made big changes straight away so you can't say they won't and I can't say they will, just wait and see
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As always reasoned, sensible comment, must be the Guinness … :) ;)
 
offshore said:
I'm just worried if he gets sacked we get someone even worse! My faith in SD has gone down so so much over the last few months and I think Ross should have gone after the play off final. But can we attract a good manager? They have massive ego's and won't want to drop down to L1!
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SD hasn’t had the financial freedom to sack Ross. Hopefully once the takeover is complete it will all change.
 
oddbod said:
To be brutally honest i am not sure if (and i am open to counter arguments done) and co have done much better than what the officiac reciever would have done if we would have gone into administration!they have created a skeleton crew to run the business and sold off all the assets that were a drain on the club ready for resale.........i for one dont begrudge them a profit and all of this will be forgotten if they sell us to the deltastics! i howeve dont get the hero worship they get on here!
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Don't mean to be critical of you as I don't think you're being cynical like some who take this view would....but....i think it's great example of how much our support has taken them for granted.

They have done way more for the club than any body tasked with the administration scenario would. They've made a real effort to connect fans with the club and build.a community. They've improved the matches experience massively. Even as an overseas fan I know they care about me because they provide streams whereas the last twat who owned us couldn't be bothered.

I can't believe how lightly Short gets off in comparison to these two and have no idea why it happens.
 
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