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4th Ashes Test - Old Trafford

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How do you solve a problem like Jason Roy?

Drop him for Ben Foakes, Bairstow to open for the rest of the series and relinquish the gloves to Foakes to concentrate on batting. Swap Root and Denly and if fit bring in Anderson for Woakes. Mainly for the reason we cant have Stokes, Foakes and Woakes in the same team :)

Burns
Bairstow
Denly
Root
Stokes
Foakes (wk)
Buttler
Archer
Broad
Anderson/Leach
Leach/Anderson

Then after the ashes make wholesale changes and stick to them and let the young players grow such as Pope, Sibley, Crawley, Stone etc.
 
If Bairstow's reading this he'd be dizzy. He's apparently batting in every position except 9,10 or 11.

Can I just say that despite is talents he's not in particularly good form in Test formats. Moving him around the order won't help him, he's batting at 6 or 7 moving him higher up the order with make it harder for him - give him a chance, bat him in a position he knows.
 
chunkylover53 said:
Why on earth would you pick you best keeper and then not have him keep?
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Because I would like to see if giving Buttler the gloves takes the shackles off a bit and kick starts some form with the bat.

Foakes showed in SL he’s easily good enough to play as a specialist batsman, imo. He’s unlucky - possibly harshly treated? - not to have been involved since.
 
chunkylover53 said:
You don’t think someone else could average more than 20?

Ollie Pope has a first class record where he averages nearly 60. Granted, he may not be able to transfer it to tests. But we won’t know if we don’t give the opportunity. He may be a Hick. Or he may be a Tescothick.

And there is massive upside vs Bairstow at the moment.

Bairstow doesn’t deserve a place in the team on form in the last 2 years. That’s just a fact sorry.
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I think focusing on averages is not the right thing to do personally, it’s more whether somebody has the mentality and temperament in the international arena which I feel Bairstow has, the way he went about his innings in that last innings suggests he has that, we were bang under pressure and the Ashes was slipping away, and him and Stokes for that crucial period where they were both at the crease, changed the way the game was going and put England on the front foot.

In a diffrent area with more competition for places and more depth of talent would see your point more, but the depth of talent simply isn’t there, and if Pope does come into the side, there is more of a argument for Denly, Roy or Buttler to be dropped before Bairstow.
 
Bri said:
If Bairstow's reading this he'd be dizzy. He's apparently batting in every position except 9,10 or 11.

Can I just say that despite is talents he's not in particularly good form in Test formats. Moving him around the order won't help him, he's batting at 6 or 7 moving him higher up the order with make it harder for him - give him a chance, bat him in a position he knows.
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He’s made a 100 batting 3, if he applies himself I think he could bat anywhere in the order. It’s all in his head, when he’s pissed off about something and feels he’s got a point to prove, he’s the joint second best batsman in the team, alongside Stokes.
 
Bri said:
If Bairstow's reading this he'd be dizzy. He's apparently batting in every position except 9,10 or 11.

Can I just say that despite is talents he's not in particularly good form in Test formats. Moving him around the order won't help him, he's batting at 6 or 7 moving him higher up the order with make it harder for him - give him a chance, bat him in a position he knows.
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He opens in ODI so its not an unfamiliar position for him. I appreciate its not the same but from a mentality point of view he is obviously fine up there and a position he knows
 
Salem Street South said:
He’s made a 100 batting 3, if he applies himself I think he could bat anywhere in the order. It’s all in his head, when he’s pissed off about something and feels he’s got a point to prove, he’s the joint second best batsman in the team, alongside Stokes.
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Yep we thinking and discussing dropping our third best batsman in the country when we are struggling and have been struggling for test batsman in this country it makes no sense, even taken into account his less impressive record in recent times.
 
Voice of fair play said:
I think focusing on averages is not the right thing to do personally, it’s more whether somebody has the mentality and temperament in the international arena which I feel Bairstow has, the way he went about his innings in that last innings suggests he has that, we were bang under pressure and the Ashes was slipping away, and him and Stokes for that crucial period where they were both at the crease, changed the way the game was going and put England on the front foot.

In a diffrent area with more competition for places and more depth of talent would see your point more, but the depth of talent simply isn’t there, and if Pope does come into the side, there is more of a argument for Denly, Roy or Buttler to be dropped before Bairstow.
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Disagree on temperament completely

He has played some dreadful dreadful shots. And acted like a child
 
chunkylover53 said:
Disagree on temperament completely

He has played some dreadful dreadful shots. And acted like a child
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He is a bit of wanker and a child and hate that, some do agree, hate the way he acted that time was dropped for Foakes as well, total childish behaviour.

But it simply doesn’t change the fact with the test batsman we have available there is a lot more worse than better than him.

Just my opinion, but like I said there are others who should be dropped before him if we change, we haven’t got the luxury or the talent available to consider not preserving with him, despite his recent record.
 
Burns
Denly
Root
Pope
Stokes
Roy
Bairstow
Archer
Broad
Leach
Jimmy

Maybe swap Pope and Stokes in the order.

Curran in for Jimmy if hes not fit
 
Salem Street South said:
He’s made a 100 batting 3, if he applies himself I think he could bat anywhere in the order. It’s all in his head, when he’s pissed off about something and feels he’s got a point to prove, he’s the joint second best batsman in the team, alongside Stokes.
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Maybe so, but he's struggling. Whacking him up to three will not help him to find form. Play people in their proper position. Fix the problems that exist while not creating new ones. Moving Root, which I eventually agreed with, clearly hasn't worked.
pavarotti1980 said:
He opens in ODI so its not an unfamiliar position for him. I appreciate its not the same but from a mentality point of view he is obviously fine up there and a position he knows
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Well. Hasn't the "he does it in a different format so it will work in Test cricket" just been thoroughly debunked?
 
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Bri said:
Maybe so, but he's struggling. Whacking him up to three will not help him to find form. Play people in their proper position. Fix the problems that exist while not creating new ones. Moving Root, which I eventually agreed with, clearly hasn't worked.

Well. Hasn't the "he does it in a different format so it will work in Test cricket" just been thoroughly debunked?
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Has Bairstow not done it in test cricket?

What is his best position? He has batted at 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 & 8
 
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Bri said:
Maybe so, but he's struggling. Whacking him up to three will not help him to find form. Play people in their proper position. Fix the problems that exist while not creating new ones. Moving Root, which I eventually agreed with, clearly hasn't worked.

Well. Hasn't the "he does it in a different format so it will work in Test cricket" just been thoroughly debunked?
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I think with this current squad it not black and white to just say bat them in their proper position, far from black and white.

Somebody has to bat in the problem positions of 2 and 3 for example.
 
Bri said:
Maybe so, but he's struggling. Whacking him up to three will not help him to find form. Play people in their proper position. Fix the problems that exist while not creating new ones. Moving Root, which I eventually agreed with, clearly hasn't worked.

Well. Hasn't the "he does it in a different format so it will work in Test cricket" just been thoroughly debunked?
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Notwithstanding the fact he appeared to be finding a bit of form in the 2nd innings of the last two Tests, there’s no more evidence to say that moving won’t bring him back into form as there is to say it will.

Moving him is fixing a problem. Bringing in Foakes should strengthen the batting.
 
Salem Street South said:
Notwithstanding the fact he appeared to be finding a bit of form in the 2nd innings of the last two Tests, there’s no more evidence to say that moving won’t bring him back into form as there is to say it will.

Moving him is fixing a problem. Bringing in Foakes should strengthen the batting.
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No but it's common sense. Different batting positions have differing roles. As a batsman he is a middle order. And opening in 1st class or Test match cricket is a specialist position, different skills required.
Salem Street South said:
Notwithstanding the fact he appeared to be finding a bit of form in the 2nd innings of the last two Tests, there’s no more evidence to say that moving won’t bring him back into form as there is to say it will.

Moving him is fixing a problem. Bringing in Foakes should strengthen the batting.
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He's scored fewer runs than Denly.

I'd bring in Sibley and have the first three as Burns, Sibley, Denly.
 
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Bri said:
No but it's common sense. Different batting positions have differing roles. As a batsman he is a middle order. And opening in 1st class or Test match cricket is a specialist position, different skills required.

He's scored fewer runs than Denly.

I'd bring in Sibley and have the first three as Burns, Sibley, Denly.
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I’m not saying he should open. I think he should bat 4 and bring Foakes in. There’s not a lot of difference between 4 and 7.

I’d have Denly opening.
 
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