Maxine Blythin, transgender cricketer.

[ouro]

Well this hardly seems fair:

'Maxine Blythin, the transgender cricketer with ambitions to represent England's women, also plays at club level for a local men's team.
For Chesham second XI, she has an average of 15.
For her women's team, St Lawrence and Highland Court, her average is 129.
At the weekend Blythin made 145 not out against Ansty, who were all out for 155.
Her numbers in men's 2nd XI cricket suggest a distinctly average talent. Transported to the Women's Southern League Premiership, however, she becomes a star, and a county player for Kent.'

Best of both worlds, play as a man and a woman. 'Cheating', I call it.

 

[dangermows]

Well this hardly seems fair:

'Maxine Blythin, the transgender cricketer with ambitions to represent England's women, also plays at club level for a local men's team.
For Chesham second XI, she has an average of 15.
For her women's team, St Lawrence and Highland Court, her average is 129.
At the weekend Blythin made 145 not out against Ansty, who were all out for 155.
Her numbers in men's 2nd XI cricket suggest a distinctly average talent. Transported to the Women's Southern League Premiership, however, she becomes a star, and a county player for Kent.'

Best of both worlds, play as a man and a woman. 'Cheating', I call it.

Surely it'd be better just batting as a woman. I presume once her transition is complete she will only compete in the women's game.

Edit: if you are saying her female team is getting an advantage then perhaps her male team is at a disadvantage.

 

[Bri]

This kind of this is not fair. It some sports, ie rugby, it's positively dangerous.

Edit: if you are saying her female team is getting an advantage then perhaps her male team is at a disadvantage.

That doesn't logically add up. It's not a zero-sum game, because it's advantageous to one group and disadvantageous to a different one doesn't mean it ok, in that the women's teams she plays against are being cheated/short changed. In her own team the woman who can't play because of her is also being cheated.

 

[dangermows]

This kind of this is not fair. It some sports, ie rugby, it's positively dangerous.

That doesn't logically add up. It's not a zero-sum game, because it's advantageous to one group and disadvantageous to a different one doesn't mean it ok, in that the women's teams she plays against are being cheated/short changed. In her own team the woman who can't play because of her is also being cheated.

Like I said, I'm sure the aim will be she can eventually only play in the female game, as a woman.

It's only cheating if rules are broken. I'm not saying they're not, but as it's not a secret, and it's being allowed....

 

[Shandy drinker]

Well this hardly seems fair:

'Maxine Blythin, the transgender cricketer with ambitions to represent England's women, also plays at club level for a local men's team.
For Chesham second XI, she has an average of 15.
For her women's team, St Lawrence and Highland Court, her average is 129.
At the weekend Blythin made 145 not out against Ansty, who were all out for 155.
Her numbers in men's 2nd XI cricket suggest a distinctly average talent. Transported to the Women's Southern League Premiership, however, she becomes a star, and a county player for Kent.'

Best of both worlds, play as a man and a woman. 'Cheating', I call it.

is she batting for both sides?

 

[brandon]

Its ridiculous on one hand, but on the other it was only a matter of time. My dislike for the faux-promotion of womens cricket has been well documented but lets face it - if the people running the sport are putting money in and elevating it's status far higher than is a proper representation of the talent within it, then it comes as no surprise whatsoever that there will be people out there who will use their 'physicality' to abuse it.

In the next decade or so, I fully expect a lot more blokes to begin seeking careers in women's sport. It makes an absolute mockery of it, but the only surprising thing IMO is that it hasn't happened sooner and on a larger scale.

 

[dangermows]

Its ridiculous on one hand, but on the other it was only a matter of time. My dislike for the faux-promotion of womens cricket has been well documented but lets face it - if the people running the sport are putting money in and elevating it's status far higher than is a proper representation of the talent within it, then it comes as no surprise whatsoever that there will be people out there who will use their 'physicality' to abuse it.

In the next decade or so, I fully expect a lot more blokes to begin seeking careers in women's sport. It makes an absolute mockery of it, but the only surprising thing IMO is that it hasn't happened sooner and on a larger scale.

Interesting points. So you think more men will transition to being women in order to make a living as a cricketer? Or just a case of more trans women will turn to the game in general?

 

[Skrabble]

Different spin on Transworld Sport I suppose.

 

[brandon]

So you think more men will transition to being women in order to make a living as a cricketer?

I wouldn't put it so blunt as that, but simply put - transgenderism is on the rise and so naturally there will be more candidates looking to make a living from women's sport. The science tells us that men are generally faster, stronger and tougher than women and so it will come as no surprise to see men thriving in women's sport.

 

[smoker]

Utter nonsense. A M-F transgender woman has at least four times as much testosterone as a cisgender woman.

 

[brandon]

Utter nonsense. A M-F transgender woman has at least four times as much testosterone as a cisgender woman.

Try telling a M to F transgender that they can't participate in women's sport.....

 

[dangermows]

Try telling a M to F transgender that they can't participate in women's sport.....

Its a tough one, as a woman will want to be accepted fully as a woman, and rightly so. But yes, we must concede they will have a physical advantage over other women.

 

[brandon]

Its a tough one, as a woman will want to be accepted fully as a woman, and rightly so. But yes, we must concede they will have a physical advantage over other women.

I’ll let the feminists and the LGBT lot argue to the death over it.

One thing I will say though, is that I agree with the feminists when they say a transgender woman can never be 100% woman like someone who is born female.

 

[dangermows]

I’ll let the feminists and the LGBT lot argue to the death over it.

One thing I will say though, is that I agree with the feminists when they say a transgender woman can never be 100% woman like someone who is born female.

Science tells us physically that is the case I guess. But where do you draw the line? Women who are born as women have different levels of testosterone. Just not to the amounts a man does.

Same as some men have a lot more than other men. Does that mean the men with lesser levels are lesser men?

Edit. Anyway, Stokes has been described as not being a normal man, with others calling him a freak, and I absolutely love him.

 

[brandon]

Science tells us physically that is the case I guess. But where do you draw the line? Women who are born as women have different levels of testosterone. Just not to the amounts a man does.

Same as some men have a lot more than other men. Does that mean the men with lesser levels are lesser men?

Edit. Anyway, Stokes has been described as not being a normal man, with others calling him a freak, and I absolutely love him.

To be honest my first reaction is to stop pandering to needy f***ing wankers. Wasting so much NHS money on shit like that, whilst there are far more pressing issues is quite frankly abhorrent.

Regarding the different levels, that’s always existed. Someone like Stokes has a level of god given talent that is unrivalled. I, on the other hand have only a fraction of that talent. Is it unfair? Possibly, probably in fact, but what can we do about it? Fuckall. That’s why some are sporting greats whilst the majority of us simply watch and admire from afar.

Varying testosterone levels are never going to change and unless you bring in uncontested sport and medals for participation there’ll always be sporting heroes and there’ll always be mere mortals - but who in the fuck wants to watch uncontested sports?

 

[dangermows]

To be honest my first reaction is to stop pandering to needy f***ing wankers. Wasting so much NHS money on shit like that, whilst there are far more pressing issues is quite frankly abhorrent.

Regarding the different levels, that’s always existed. Someone like Stokes has a level of god given talent that is unrivalled. I, on the other hand have only a fraction of that talent. Is it unfair? Possibly, probably in fact, but what can we do about it? Fuckall. That’s why some are sporting greats whilst the majority of us simply watch and admire from afar.

Varying testosterone levels are never going to change and unless you bring in uncontested sport and medals for participation there’ll always be sporting heroes and there’ll always be mere mortals - but who in the fuck wants to watch uncontested sports?

I was being tongue in cheek about Stokes tbf. But the differing testosterone levels does prove a point in that even between men there can be big differences, and yet that's not seen as an issue.

And you think people who genuinely feel (I say feel as I don't want to turn this into a science lesson) they are trapped in the wrong body, and who will go through all the hoops required before they can transition, are simply needy f***ing wankers then it's a pointless discussion. Let's just be thankful we don't have to go through such turmoil.

 

[ouro]

I was being tongue in cheek about Stokes tbf. But the differing testosterone levels does prove a point in that even between men there can be big differences, and yet that's not seen as an issue.

And you think people who genuinely feel (I say feel as I don't want to turn this into a science lesson) they are trapped in the wrong body, and who will go through all the hoops required before they can transition, are simply needy f***ing wankers then it's a pointless discussion. Let's just be thankful we don't have to go through such turmoil.

If your daughter was a female wrestler/mma fighter and fought against someone that grew up a man, how would you feel? I ask as there are several examples where blokes decide to be women then go on to be excellent at battering women:

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I know,this is straying way off cricket, but f***ing hell man. They aren't women and never will be - when will the madness end?

 

[dangermows]

If your daughter was a female wrestler/mma fighter and fought against someone that grew up a man, how would you feel? I ask as there are several examples where blokes decide to be women then go on to be excellent at battering women:

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I know,this is straying way off cricket, but f***ing hell man. They aren't women and never will be - when will the madness end?

Another interesting point. But then I guess there are also women, who were born women, who are much bigger than a standard woman, and they too could dish out a pummelling. In the same way Andre the Giant would if fighting Frankie Dettori.

Oh, and "decide to be women" LOL.

 

[brandon]

I was being tongue in cheek about Stokes tbf. But the differing testosterone levels does prove a point in that even between men there can be big differences, and yet that's not seen as an issue.

And you think people who genuinely feel (I say feel as I don't want to turn this into a science lesson) they are trapped in the wrong body, and who will go through all the hoops required before they can transition, are simply needy f***ing wankers then it's a pointless discussion. Let's just be thankful we don't have to go through such turmoil.

It isn’t seen as an issue because it’s f***ing science mate. It’s how we’re built. It’s why some are better at sport than others. It’s why some people find it easy to build muscle and be physically fit than others - some people have to put hours and hours in at the gym and eat the right food just to be at a weight that is considered ‘correct’ whilst others can eat what they what when they want and never put on weight.

As for the trans lot, what would you put it down to? It’s on the rise - why? Surely if it was completely natural it would’ve always been around and the levels would be similar throughout time.

Ultimately I’ve no issue with people wanting to be a different gender, but I don’t think the NHS should pay for it. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. The proof however is that there is a far higher suicide rate amongst trans people than any other group of human beings - why do you think that is? It proves that even when these people get what they want, they still aren’t happy. It’s proof that you shouldn’t fuck with science and it’s proof that doing that much to the body, by way of physical change and by taking vast amounts of drugs to have the correct ‘artficial’ levels of a particular hormone is a recipe for absolute disaster.

You. Shouldn’t. Fuck. With. Science.

Another interesting point. But then I guess there are also women, who were born women, who are much bigger than a standard woman, and they too could dish out a pummelling. In the same way Andre the Giant would if fighting Frankie Dettori.

Oh, and "decide to be women" LOL.

Difference being, there is no doubt that they are women - 100%.

A trans woman is not a complete woman and never will be. It’s an artificial playing field.

 

[dangermows]

It isn’t seen as an issue because it’s f***ing science mate. It’s how we’re built. It’s why some are better at sport than others. It’s why some people find it easy to build muscle and be physically fit than others - some people have to put hours and hours in at the gym and eat the right food just to be at a weight that is considered ‘correct’ whilst others can eat what they what when they want and never put on weight.

As for the trans lot, what would you put it down to? It’s on the rise - why? Surely if it was completely natural it would’ve always been around and the levels would be similar throughout time.

Ultimately I’ve no issue with people wanting to be a different gender, but I don’t think the NHS should pay for it. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. The proof however is that there is a far higher suicide rate amongst trans people than any other group of human beings - why do you think that is? It proves that even when these people get what they want, they still aren’t happy. It’s proof that you shouldn’t fuck with science and it’s proof that doing that much to the body, by way of physical change and by taking vast amounts of drugs to have the correct ‘artficial’ levels of a particular hormone is a recipe for absolute disaster.

You. Shouldn’t. Fuck. With. Science.


Difference being, there is no doubt that they are women - 100%.

A trans woman is not a complete woman and never will be. It’s an artificial playing field.

It's on the rise as science has improved to enable transition and awareness has been raised and attitudes have changed to some degree.

People coming out as gay has increased over time, in line with attitudes changing.

More blokes are getting hair transplants. Do you think it's because more men are going bald, more men dislike being bald, or there are now opportunities to fix it?

No one decides. Did you remember choosing? Do you remember one day deciding which sex you found attractive? I can't. But thank god I chose the straight/fancying women boxes. It's made my life much easier.

Suicide rates are high as often there is still ridicule. Eeeeh see that, just looks like a bloke in a dress. They have had to go through all sorts of mental/emotional stress to get to the point of transition (it's not just a flick of a switch and that goes away). Some families disown children who make the change etc. I know of plenty examples though where those who transitioned went on to have very happy lives too.

And on the last point, it still highlights you can still get very unlevel playing fields, with some men the size of houses up against other men the size of sheds. (I made that point as the main issue seems to be physical advantage, and whilst I actually agree with you, it shows some sports can never be truly 'fair' in that regard).

Shall leave it there.