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3rd Ashes Test - Headingley

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Sharpshooter said:
Warner averages late 40's, Bancroft averages mid 20s.

Warner despite his bad form might get you a big score, Bancroft never will.
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Averages have nothing to do with it. Players are picked on form and dropped on a lack of it. Bancroft has scored 44 runs, Warner 18 - that's what I was getting at when I feel he can count himself unlucky. Does he deserve to remain on his current form? No, but he isn't the worst.
mackembhoy said:
Scoring second division runs does not make him a test match bat.

Warners was arguably the best opener in world cricket prior to his ban.
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What has second division runs got to do with it? As referenced above, based purely on a comparison with his fellow opener he can feel unlucky.

What's more, Warner has always struggled in England. So he is NOT the best opener in England, irrespective of what his status 'in the world' is.
 
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brandon said:
Averages have nothing to do with it. Players are picked on form and dropped on a lack of it. Bancroft has scored 44 runs, Warner 18 - that's what I was getting at when I feel he can count himself unlucky. Does he deserve to remain on his current form? No, but he isn't the worst.


What has second division runs got to do with it? As referenced above, based purely on a comparison with his fellow opener he can feel unlucky.

What's more, Warner has always struggled in England. So he is NOT the best opener in England, irrespective of what his status 'in the world' is.
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Decisions are made on more than just 2 tests though. Potential, etc., are also considered, and I think everyone would agree that Warner is far more likely to make a hundred in this test than bancroft. I do think that they had to make some change though and one of the openers is the primary option for them. And Warners past record and proven test match ability has earned him a lot of credit in the bank.

Go back to test one. If Jof was fit and in the team, would you drop Jimmy for Woakes and broad? (Ignoring fitness concerns) Oh course you wouldn't - even though Woakes and broad just skittled the Irish in their last game.
 
brandon said:
Averages have nothing to do with it. Players are picked on form and dropped on a lack of it. Bancroft has scored 44 runs, Warner 18 - that's what I was getting at when I feel he can count himself unlucky. Does he deserve to remain on his current form? No, but he isn't the worst.


What has second division runs got to do with it? As referenced above, based purely on a comparison with his fellow opener he can feel unlucky.

What's more, Warner has always struggled in England. So he is NOT the best opener in England, irrespective of what his status 'in the world' is.
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Sorry pal but no way was Bancroft pl aying ahead of Warner in this match.
If that did happen the England dressing room would have been delighted.
 
TravellingMackem said:
Decisions are made on more than just 2 tests though. Potential, etc., are also considered, and I think everyone would agree that Warner is far more likely to make a hundred in this test than bancroft. I do think that they had to make some change though and one of the openers is the primary option for them. And Warners past record and proven test match ability has earned him a lot of credit in the bank.

Go back to test one. If Jof was fit and in the team, would you drop Jimmy for Woakes and broad? (Ignoring fitness concerns) Oh course you wouldn't - even though Woakes and broad just skittled the Irish in their last game.
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I wouldn't disagree with that, all I said is that Bancroft can count himself unlucky and I still stand by that. I'm not suggesting he shouldn't have been dropped - everything else is just you being a massive pedant.

Warner does however average HALF in England of what he does in Oz - so it wouldn't surprise me if they dropped him too.
 
Any news on when they are coming back out? It's not been raining heavily, and seems to be clearing. Can't imagine it'll take long to clear the outfield.
 
brandon said:
Averages have nothing to do with it. Players are picked on form and dropped on a lack of it. Bancroft has scored 44 runs, Warner 18 - that's what I was getting at when I feel he can count himself unlucky. Does he deserve to remain on his current form? No, but he isn't the worst.


What has second division runs got to do with it? As referenced above, based purely on a comparison with his fellow opener he can feel unlucky.

What's more, Warner has always struggled in England. So he is NOT the best opener in England, irrespective of what his status 'in the world' is.
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Only Smith Root and Rogers scored more than Warner last ashes in England.

My point was more you wouldn't care had Bancroft had not been playing for durham
 
mackembhoy said:
Only Smith Root and Rogers scored more than Warner last ashes in England.

Bancroft got into the side due to his form for Durham and the warm up aussie vs aussie. I don't think you'd care about bancfroft had he not played for durham which was more my reference to that.
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I don't care about him now, I merely made a statement about the Aussie opener selection which I don't think was at all unreasonable given the facts. I reiterate too - Warner averages half in England of what he does in Australia, but if you're looking at form you cannot take what happened 4 years ago - only now, where he's scored 18 runs and been dismissed four times.
 
brandon said:
I don't care about him now, I merely made a statement about the Aussie opener selection which I don't think was at all unreasonable given the facts. I reiterate too - Warner averages half in England of what he does in Australia, but if you're looking at form you cannot take what happened 4 years ago - only now, where he's scored 18 runs and been dismissed four times.
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Perhaps we should drop Root - he hasn't scored any runs this series yet either
 
brandon said:
I don't care about him now, I merely made a statement about the Aussie opener selection which I don't think was at all unreasonable given the facts. I reiterate too - Warner averages half in England of what he does in Australia, but if you're looking at form you cannot take what happened 4 years ago - only now, where he's scored 18 runs and been dismissed four times.
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Why would you drop your second best batsman regardless of form though?
 
TravellingMackem said:
Perhaps we should drop Root - he hasn't scored any runs this series yet either
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Some people have called for that. Root however scored 50 at Edgbaston, so in one innings scored more or less three times what Warner has.
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Why would you drop your second best batsman regardless of form though?
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Because nobody is above being dropped. Just as talent and form dwindles. He hasn't been the second best batsman in this Series and it could be argued that in English conditions he isn't the second best batsman in the team.
 
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