Dylan McGeouch

[Coeus]

Perhaps we should bring Liam Bridcutt back?

He played exactly the same role as McGeouch but was eventually dropped despite being a tidy, tick over type player.

You know he is in the league above us and we probabley couldn't afford him right?

Prime example.

It's genuinely hilarious tbh. 'If you don't rate McGeouch you don't know anything about football!!' Said posters then start making comparisons with Makelele, Busquets and Kante.

You couldn't make it up.

People get irate when they dont understand things. McGeoch has a better range of passing than Makele and hasn't the engine of Kante so they are poor comparisons. Xavi is more apt.

 

[AC Mack]

Well maybe you should speak to our defenders then as they are giving possession away like it’s going out of fashion!

I also watched the Heerenveen game and watched Leadbitter try 30/40 yard balls for the first 20 minutes which just gave them the ball and allowed them to attack!

You say that any competent footballer should be able to do it, well if that is the case why do clubs like Chelsea (Kante), Man Utd (Matic), Man City (Fernandinho) pay so much money for playes who in essence (but at a much higher quality) do exactly what you have just described?

Are you serious? In Fernandinho and Kante, you have just compared two of the best box to box midfielders in world football to Dylan f***ing McGeouch. Both of those players are renowned for getting all over the pitch, having a superb defensive game with their aggression, reading of the game and ball winning skills, moving forward with the ball and transitioning between midfield and attack.

This is exactly what we want McGeouch to do, but exactly what he doesn't except for about three games in his whole Sunderland career to date.

If you want to make comparisons, try someone like Liam Bridcutt as a starter for ten.

You know he is in the league above us and we probabley couldn't afford him right?

Prime example.


People get irate when they dont understand things. McGeoch has a better range of passing than Makele and hasn't the engine of Kante so they are poor comparisons. Xavi is more apt.

There's a bit of a deeper lying Iniesta about him actually.

 

[Deleted member 43563]

Generally a decent player. Doesn't stand out as he does not need to dive in to win tackles...something sunderland fans don't like.

 

[chriswallace85]

He's dreadful, but I already told yas this last year.

People get irate when they dont understand things. McGeoch has a better range of passing than Makele and hasn't the engine of Kante so they are poor comparisons. Xavi is more apt.

Shut the fuck up man. I'd log off if and not come back for a long while if I were you.

Generally a decent player. Doesn't stand out as he does not need to dive in to win tackles...something sunderland fans don't like.

That'd be alright if he actually won them - stands off a lot and wins nowt.

Makele couldn't hit a cross field pass like that of McGeochs vs Oxford.

Wouldn't take a god awful free kick like McGeouch vs Oxford when he looped it to their centre half neither.

 

[rentaghost]

You know he is in the league above us and we probabley couldn't afford him right?

Prime example.


People get irate when they dont understand things. McGeoch has a better range of passing than Makele and hasn't the engine of Kante so they are poor comparisons. Xavi is more apt.

Haha absolutely quality stuff. I’ve been on this forum for decades now and you think there can be nothing left to surprise you. This is Dylan McGeoch you are talking about here, a player that has struggled to nail down a place in a big standard league 1 side yet he is on a different level to Makele with his passing and comparable to Xavi.

I’ve got to get on here more often

 

[Keith S30S]

You know he is in the league above us and we probabley couldn't afford him right?

Prime example.

People get irate when they dont understand things. McGeoch has a better range of passing than Makele and hasn't the engine of Kante so they are poor comparisons. Xavi is more apt.

Bridcutt has made 24 starts in 2 seasons. He's a squad player heading down the leagues.

He's a better player than McGeouch, not as good as Cattermole.

 

[chriswallace85]

Haha absolutely quality stuff. I’ve been on this forum for decades now and you think there can be nothing left to surprise you. This is Dylan McGeoch you are talking about here, a player that has struggled to nail down a place in a big standard league 1 side yet he is on a different level to Makele with his passing and comparable to Xavi.

I’ve got to get on here more often

Amazing innit.

 

[defunctdigits]

It's probably harsh to judge any of our players working under JR. He would probably have Messi looking ordinary.

 

[Dexter]

It's genuinely hilarious tbh. 'If you don't rate McGeouch you don't know anything about football!!' Said posters then start making comparisons with Makelele, Busquets and Kante.

You couldn't make it up.

It’s really bizarre. I was arguing with someone on here a few weeks ago who said he would stand out in the Championship, and yet he doesn’t even stand out amongst our load of plodders.

 

[Perryqhill]

My point is, if it isn't an option, it's not an option regardless of the player being Xavi, Leadbetter or McGeoch. It seems odd to me that the one person who recognises this gets called a coward for doing so.

What if it is an option? Pass it back to Flanagan to deal with it or a fullback?

Collective responsibility. Noticable second half on Saturday people were making runs and even the much criticised Grigg saw the ball in the penalty area and looked a bit more sprightly.

There's also an argument if you are a bit more positive and your first thought is to get the ball forward more quickly there's also more chance people who have given up making runs because they know the ball isn't going to be played forward might start making those runs again.

Not blaming McGeough for all of our problems, but he's certainly part of them.

 

[Coeus]

What if it is an option? Pass it back to Flanagan to deal with it or a fullback?

Collective responsibility. Noticable second half on Saturday people were making runs and even the much criticised Grigg saw the ball in the penalty area and looked a bit more sprightly.

There's also an argument if you are a bit more positive and your first thought is to get the ball forward more quickly there's also more chance people who have given up making runs because they know the ball isn't going to be played forward might start making those runs again.

Not blaming McGeough for all of our problems, but he's certainly part of them.

I disagree. Being "positive" doesn't make the wingers open or have the pace to run in behind. If being positive is leadbetter putting the ball into touch then keeping possession is the better alternative.

It's not like when the option is available he doesn't take it. You won't see many better passes in league one this season than when he pinged it out to the right against oxford.

 

[chriswallace85]

I disagree. Being "positive" doesn't make the wingers open or have the pace to run in behind. If being positive is leadbetter putting the ball into touch then keeping possession is the better alternative.

It's not like when the option is available he doesn't take it. You won't see many better passes in league one this season than when he pinged it out to the right against oxford.

It was one ball marra, fuckin' hell.

One of their lads played a better one in behind Hume in the first half.

 

[Coeus]

It was one ball marra, fuckin' hell.

One of their lads played a better one in behind Hume in the first half.

Cant remember that one Chris. He was easily our best player however.

 

[chriswallace85]

Cant remember that one Chris. He was easily our best player however.

That really isn't saying a lot.

 

[Coeus]

That really isn't saying a lot.

But what are we talking about here, that we are shit or that Dylan McGeouch of all people is the least of our trouble.

 

[Perryqhill]

I disagree. Being "positive" doesn't make the wingers open or have the pace to run in behind. If being positive is leadbetter putting the ball into touch then keeping possession is the better alternative.

It's not like when the option is available he doesn't take it. You won't see many better passes in league one this season than when he pinged it out to the right against oxford.

I don't think it is, because 'keeping possession ' too often it means passing back to a centre half. it generally ends up with a clearance and a fight for possession - what's so good about that? it's not retaining possession. or on other occasions the likes of flanagan who is poorer on the ball having to bring the ball out because McGeough refuses too.

There's little difference there from what you are repeating about Leadbitter putting the ball out even though that's not actually true all the time, because it would still end up with a punt.

Leadbitter can and does recycle the ball as well, but he also looks up and tried to get the team moving forward, because he isn't a coward in possession. You also seem to be suggesting there are no runners, yet Gooch is a willing runner, Morgan was last season when Leadbitter played and so far Mcnulty looks like one, as is Hume although he's been poor. we do need to work on many things as team, but I find criticism of leadbitter trying to be positive and trying to get the team forward a bit ott.

The fact there's like two instances of passes from McGeough Rochdale and Oxford where he's made positive good passes which people are referring too just highlights the issues with him.


No ones saying McGeough has to turn and beat men on his own, were all familiar with the concept of keeping possession and being patient, trying to work the opposition around. but too often he isn't positive in possession and recycles the ball for the sake of it. this thread points that out

 

[Coeus]

I don't think it is, because 'keeping possession ' too often it means passing back to a centre half. it generally ends up with a clearance and a fight for possession - what's so good about that? it's not retaining possession. or on other occasions the likes of flanagan who is poorer on the ball having to bring the ball out because McGeough refuses too.

There's little difference there from what you are repeating about Leadbitter putting the ball out even though that's not actually true all the time, because it would still end up with a punt.

Leadbitter can and does recycle the ball as well, but he also looks up and tried to get the team moving forward, because he isn't a coward in possession. You also seem to be suggesting there are no runners, yet Gooch is a willing runner, Morgan was last season when Leadbitter played and so far Mcnulty looks like one, as is Hume although he's been poor. we do need to work on many things as team, but I find criticism of leadbitter trying to be positive and trying to get the team forward a bit ott.

The fact there's like two instances of passes from McGeough Rochdale and Oxford where he's made positive good passes which people are referring too just highlights the issues with him.


No ones saying McGeough has to turn and beat men on his own, were all familiar with the concept of keeping possession and being patient, trying to work the opposition around. but too often he isn't positive in possession and recycles the ball for the sake of it. this thread points that out

Think were going round in circles Perry. Can just be settled with we have different ideas about the player and how the game can be played, no biggie.

And just to clarify before bowing out of the thread. I dont think that those who dont rate him, do not understand football or that he is comparable to some of the best footballers in the world, that would be silly.

 

[rentaghost]

But what are we talking about here, that we are shit or that Dylan McGeouch of all people is the least of our trouble.

i don't think we are saying that. Sunderland are crying out for a team that has more energy, can press the opposition and help us play more of the game in the oppositions half. Dylan McGeoch is one reason why we don't do this.

 

[chriswallace85]

But what are we talking about here, that we are shit or that Dylan McGeouch of all people is the least of our trouble.

That's open for debate. He wouldn't be in my first team.

 

[Coeus]

i don't think we are saying that. Sunderland are crying out for a team that has more energy, can press the opposition and help us play more of the game in the oppositions half. Dylan McGeoch is one reason why we don't do this.

I cant argue tactical discussions, there are too many variables. My opinion is he is a really good player at our level, how we should play or be set up and if that would involve him is beyond me.

That's open for debate. He wouldn't be in my first team.

Of course it is and that's fine. Football eh?