Ross calls for perspective

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norfolk mackem said:
Well said, a lot of folk on here have just stopped looking for positive signs and are just too busy spouting shite.

I actually think we’ve reached a tipping point, not at safc but actually on this board.

Is this board viable or worthwhile with the amount of reactionary drivel that is on here at the moment ?
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What are the positive signs?
 


I'm giving it till the end of September.
Last season he had to do it from a standing start,but he now should know the demands of this league. The players who've gone aren't going to be missed anywhere other than the payroll dept.,so there's no excuses.The squad isn't weaker as a result apart from left back. He's gone for more mobility,which was a serious weakness last year.It's up to him now to show that he has this squad fit,tactically aware,motivated and confident.If he hasn't done that by end September,he will have to be replaced,but he deserves the time till then imo.
 
1879 said:
This, calmed down after initially wanting him gone after seeing us capitulate twice at Wembley / form back end of the season hoping he would learn from his mistakes.

It appears painfully obvious he's out of his depth. I've not posted since the weekend but I'm now really pissed off after the shite served up week in, week out.

The owners and fans have backed him yet he continues to use the excuse of "every other teams cup final" & "tough place to play at home"

Pick the right system & motivate the players to play in it Jack!
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More to the point playing us is not "every other teams cup final" is it? After 23 draws (and another on Saturday) our opponents clearly have the measure of us and I doubt that they are remotely over awed or particularly impressed. Their feeling must be that we are just another League One club who won't present that much of a problem if they stick to their game plan.

A lot of clubs are of course delighted to welcome us in terms of the big support that we bring and the number of extra pies and pints that they will sell. I don't think that its got anything to do with a notion that its the "biggest game in their club's history" . Indeed if we miss the bus again this season they will have bags of other opportunities to play the once mighty Sunderland. Our opponents will have been in quite a few "Cup Finals" by then
 
Mr David said:
www.thenorthernecho.co.uk

Jack Ross calls for a 'sense of perspective' after struggling Sunderland are booed off

JACK ROSS understands the ‘level of expectation’ that resulted in Sunderland’s players being booed off after the opening game of the League…
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:lol: Oh dear.

Dead man walking.
sad-eyed prophet said:
I'm giving it till the end of September.
Last season he had to do it from a standing start,but he now should know the demands of this league. The players who've gone aren't going to be missed anywhere other than the payroll dept.,so there's no excuses.The squad isn't weaker as a result apart from left back. He's gone for more mobility,which was a serious weakness last year.It's up to him now to show that he has this squad fit,tactically aware,motivated and confident.If he hasn't done that by end September,he will have to be replaced,but he deserves the time till then imo.
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Disagree.

Cattermole > McGeouch, Dobson, Power, Leadbitter
Oviedo > Hume
Matthews > Gooch, O'Nien and it remains to be seen about McLaughlin
 
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chriswallace85 said:
:lol: Oh dear.

Dead man walking.

Disagree.

Cattermole > McGeouch, Dobson, Power, Leadbitter
Oviedo > Hume
Matthews > Gooch, O'Nien and it remains to be seen about McLaughlin
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The game often passed Cattermole by mate. I agree the others aren't better players,but hopefully a bit more mobility will improve us.
Left back is a lingering problem which needs to be fixed but Oviedo didn't pull up any trees.he won't be missed if we can pull in anyone half decent.
I'd wager McLaughlin isn't any worse than Matthews,who put in about one decent performance all season that I can recall.
Like I say,let's see where we are end September.
 
sad-eyed prophet said:
The game often passed Cattermole by mate. I agree the others aren't better players,but hopefully a bit more mobility will improve us.
Left back is a lingering problem which needs to be fixed but Oviedo didn't pull up any trees.he won't be missed if we can pull in anyone half decent.
I'd wager McLaughlin isn't any worse than Matthews,who put in about one decent performance all season that I can recall.
Like I say,let's see where we are end September.
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I can't agree.

We were always a far better side with Cattermole in it.

Matthews started the season very well, and won player of the month for October. He made 5 assists in 24 appearances which was the second highest for the season behind Gooch's 7, and level with Maguire also on 5. Bryan Oviedo incidentally made 4 in 26 apps. Not bad for a couple of lads who effectively missed half the season through either injury or Ross's preference for Luke O'Nien (3 assists in 40 appearances) and Reece James (2 assists in 29 appearances).
 
Fetch Fletch said:
I got some perspective at the weekend.
I saw nowt has changed, he is insisting on this negative garbage and I've realised I was wrong to defend him.
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gfair play to you for syaing that.

When charlie methven said the fans had unrealistic expectations he rightly got huge stick..

jack is now saying it..i expect him to get similar stick..
biggie said:
The perspective is - 9 wins from 26 games from the 5th January to the Oxford game - not including Cheka trade games and including the play off games
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absolutely shocking statistic..
 
The Muffin Man said:
Thankfully as proved by the poll on here, there are still more people want him here than want him gone, unfortunately the gob shites who want him out are loud, proud and in full flow but do not reflect the wishes of the sensible majority
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You’re confusing the poll though. The vote was for people who don’t want him sacked YET, not for those who want to keep him. Some are willing to give him another few games, but doesn’t mean that they still want him here. Try reposting a poll of keep/sack/biding time and I’m sure the results won’t show what you’re suggesting
 
So we should expect another 5th place at best?
He should be sacked on the spot if he doesn't think we should be 1st in this league.
 
Burnopfield Mackem said:
Ross has has around 70 games though and each batch of 10 results is producing worse stats. In other words he and we are going backwards. Forget this 1 game tosh, Ross has won 9 3rd division football matches in 29, which is why he will be sacked very soon.
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No he won’t be , the owners have more sense, if we aren’t near the top after 10-15 games he might be sacked
 
1more said:
What are the positive signs?
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There were positives on Saturday, but there were also some similarities with some of last season's performances.

A negative was the quality of our crosses but a positive was the number of times we got into good positions to cross the ball. That wasn't always happening last season. I would say it wasn't just the quality of the crossing was an issue but the choice of type of cross they were attempting, I would have liked to see more whipped in balls at knee height rather than the 7 foot in the air cross which played into their defender's hands.

I would say McGeouch's performance was a big positive, if people can't see how effective he looked in that role on Saturday then I'm not sure what they are looking at or looking for.

I would say when balls were ping ponging around in the air in midfield as a team we were competing and winning at least 50% of them, last season physically we just couldn't compete for those at all.

The new players - Willis, C Mc, Dobson and McNulty. None of them had amazing 8/10 debuts but they all showed that when they settle in they could offer something that was missing last year. I'm fairly optimistic about all 4 of them.

I agree with some of the comments regarding Will Grigg, the team probably isn't set up to suit him ideally but we should be seeing more from him than we are. His pressing is unconvincing and his movement is at times woeful, a good committed striker should be able to contribute more than he is in any system so we should be expecting more from him.

I agree with some of the comments about the suitability of the system to the personnel we have but it wouldn't take too much tweaking of personnel for it to work. For me the biggest problem was the 3 centre halfs we had are all players who have played their careers at RB and CB so they are all more comfortable on their right and this is why the right flank seemed to look more comfortable than the left. A left sided centre half is a must along with another option for the left wing back/left back position.
 
norfolk mackem said:
There were positives on Saturday, but there were also some similarities with some of last season's performances.

A negative was the quality of our crosses but a positive was the number of times we got into good positions to cross the ball. That wasn't always happening last season. I would say it wasn't just the quality of the crossing was an issue but the choice of type of cross they were attempting, I would have liked to see more whipped in balls at knee height rather than the 7 foot in the air cross which played into their defender's hands.

I would say McGeouch's performance was a big positive, if people can't see how effective he looked in that role on Saturday then I'm not sure what they are looking at or looking for.

I would say when balls were ping ponging around in the air in midfield as a team we were competing and winning at least 50% of them, last season physically we just couldn't compete for those at all.

The new players - Willis, C Mc, Dobson and McNulty. None of them had amazing 8/10 debuts but they all showed that when they settle in they could offer something that was missing last year. I'm fairly optimistic about all 4 of them.

I agree with some of the comments regarding Will Grigg, the team probably isn't set up to suit him ideally but we should be seeing more from him than we are. His pressing is unconvincing and his movement is at times woeful, a good committed striker should be able to contribute more than he is in any system so we should be expecting more from him.

I agree with some of the comments about the suitability of the system to the personnel we have but it wouldn't take too much tweaking of personnel for it to work. For me the biggest problem was the 3 centre halfs we had are all players who have played their careers at RB and CB so they are all more comfortable on their right and this is why the right flank seemed to look more comfortable than the left. A left sided centre half is a must along with another option for the left wing back/left back position.
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Talk about rose tinted spectacles.

You have bought into the ridiculous cross stat. I would like to know how many crosses Oxford had? And also whether the amount of crosses we had was in excess as usual.

The new players didn't impress and dont look like an improvement.

McGeouch was decent and better than anything he shown last season I'll give you that.

With the loss of Catts and Ovideo and James for that matter we are weaker than last season.
 
1more said:
Talk about rose tinted spectacles.

You have bought into the ridiculous cross stat. I would like to know how many crosses Oxford had? And also whether the amount of crosses we had was in excess as usual.

The new players didn't impress and dont look like an improvement.

McGeouch was decent and better than anything he shown last season I'll give you that.

With the loss of Catts and Ovideo and James for that matter we are weaker than last season.
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mcnulty was an improvement on the player in that role last year..honeyman...

mcloughlin ws played out of positon...
embelton wasnt great but all knowing safc fans say he is going to be good..
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Talk about rose tinted spectacles.

You have bought into the ridiculous cross stat. I would like to know how many crosses Oxford had? And also whether the amount of crosses we had was in excess as usual.

The new players didn't impress and dont look like an improvement.

McGeouch was decent and better than anything he shown last season I'll give you that.

With the loss of Catts and Ovideo and James for that matter we are weaker than last season.
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is mcloughlin a worse player than james? or oviedo nowadays?
 
I've tried very hard to warm to him and I want to give him time, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult. Saturday was a replica of the second half of last season and it does increasingly seem that he is unable to learn from his mistakes, or simply doesn't feel he's making them in the first place. To change the formation and have so many players out of position was a desperate move, and his exclusion of O'Nien in particular seems unjust.

His overall demeanour irritates me too, he's pretty dour, uninspiring both on and off the touchline and seems very prickly to criticism. We have every right to be questioning a man who has overseen a draw percentage of around 40% despite having a squad stronger than any of our competitors during his time here. His style of play is boring and predictable, we have constantly looked shaky at the back and insipid going forward. He needs to improve, he needs to do it now and if he's got any sense at all he needs to keep his opinions about fans expectations to himself whilst he's under performing so badly.
 
The Muffin Man said:
Thankfully as proved by the poll on here, there are still more people want him here than want him gone, unfortunately the gob shites who want him out are loud, proud and in full flow but do not reflect the wishes of the sensible majority
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So, because it's your opinion, it's sensible but anyone with a differing one is a gobshite?
kildaremackem said:
mcnulty was an improvement on the player in that role last year..honeyman...

mcloughlin ws played out of positon...
embelton wasnt great but all knowing safc fans say he is going to be good..

is mcloughlin a worse player than james? or oviedo nowadays?
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I would say he's absolutely a worse player than Oviedo, who didn't exactly pull up any tree but McLaughlin could only dream of achieving what he did and will be doing at Copenhagen.
 
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Father Jack Hackett said:
So, because it's your opinion, it's sensible but anyone with a differing one is a gobshite?


I would say he's absolutely a worse player than Oviedo, who didn't exactly pull up any tree but McLaughlin could only dream of achieving what he did and will be doing at Copenhagen.
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obviously oviedo was a better player than mcloughlin ever will be..but today, im not so sure..copenhagen is hrdly a top quality league..
 
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