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Super Overs: Why Only One?

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Which two?

Sadly, it's you who is embarrassing yourself, ignorant of the laws of our national game.


They made a mistake, which has been pointed out by others. It's possible they may have thought the batsmen had crossed at the time of the throw, and didn't have the replay to prove otherwise.

Yeah, I played shit cricket, my second top score was only 96 and I was hardly a greyhound in the covers, although I did hold the London branch record for most catches in a season for several years and managed 20 years for 2 club sides. But on that shite course they did teach us the same laws of cricket used by everybody.

Who was the fella who booked somebody 3 times in the same world cup game? Oh aye, one of our top referees.

You're an idiot. And I'm very right about this.


Why do they need to review the law if it is clear as you state? There is clear ambiguity in the law as it is written. I’ll counter your top score of 96 and catching record with an A* English GCSE which permits me an ability to READ THE LAWS myself, which I have done multiple times. Thankfully, some in this society are capable of reading and understanding laws without paying for a course to teach us this.

That said, I haven’t been on a referees course either so perhaps you could educate my simple mind as to what a throw in is in football, or a tackle in rugby?
 

I thought we had put this to bed, the law is open to interpretation and there have been arguments from both sides which will no doubt rumble on for a while.

However I've just checked the ecb website and we are still world champions
 
I thought we had put this to bed, the law is open to interpretation and there have been arguments from both sides which will no doubt rumble on for a while.

However I've just checked the ecb website and we are still world champions

Precisely, well said. The law is ambiguous in nature hence the need to actually review it. Otherwise they wouldn’t be reviewing a perfectly functional law.
 
Just to stick my oar into this debate............please don’t add links that can’t be read without subscription, it’s a bit pointless.
What I do sometimes is copy and paste and provide the link as well. Doesn't take long.
 
Why do they need to review the law if it is clear as you state? There is clear ambiguity in the law as it is written. I’ll counter your top score of 96 and catching record with an A* English GCSE which permits me an ability to READ THE LAWS myself, which I have done multiple times. Thankfully, some in this society are capable of reading and understanding laws without paying for a course to teach us this.

That said, I haven’t been on a referees course either so perhaps you could educate my simple mind as to what a throw in is in football, or a tackle in rugby?
There isn't any ambiguity in the law, the confusion has been caused by people who don't know the game.

The change proposed is that the ball becomes dead if it hits the batsman, and possibly also the stumps if the batsman is home. You with your A (starred mark you) English shouldn't have a problem distinguishing that, but obviously standards have dropped since O level days.

You are still wrong. Which bit of the law do you find ambiguous?

P.S. I know nowt about rugby which is why I don't try and lecture people who do about the laws of the game.

Just to stick my oar into this debate............please don’t add links that can’t be read without subscription, it’s a bit pointless.
I don't have a subscription and I can read the bulk of that article perfectly fine.

What I do sometimes is copy and paste and provide the link as well. Doesn't take long.
Here you go, none of this is behind any paywall.
Enjoy 1 complimentary article
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Overthrow law to be reviewed after World Cup final controversy
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, Elizabeth Ammon
July 20 2019, 12:01am, The Times

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The ball deflected off Stokes’s bat for four additional runs, though England should have been awarded only one of the two they ranACTION IMAGES VIA REUTERS/PETER CZIBORRA
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MCC is planning to review the controversial Law 19 relating to overthrows that played a huge part in England’s thrilling World Cup final win over New Zealand at Lord’s last Sunday.

England were erroneously given an extra run in the final over of their dramatic run chase, when the umpires Marais Erasmus and Kumar Dharmasena awarded six runs instead of five after failing to spot that Ben Stokes and Adil Rashid had not crossed for a second run before the fielder’s throw, which went for four overthrows. This ultimately enabled Eoin Morgan’s side to tie the match before winning the World Cup in a Super Over.

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Stokes and Rashid had not crossed when the ball was thrown, meaning they should have been given five, rather than six, runs
The former umpire, Simon Taufel, was the first to spot the error, which he described as “a clear mistake” in an interview several hours after the final but there is considerable sympathy for the umpires, who are being asked to look in two different directions at the same time. Law 19.8 relating to overthrows states that “if a boundary results from an overthrow” the runs scored shall be “the allowance for the boundary and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw”. One first-class umpire told The Times that it was “a bad Law” and needed to be clarified.

Television replays clearly showed that Stokes and Rashid had not crossed for a second run when Martin Guptill threw the ball in from the boundary, so England should have been awarded only a single in addition to the four overthrows given as a result of the deflection from the Durham all- rounder’s bat as he dived to make his ground, which would have left them needing four runs from the final two balls to win the World Cup. New Zealand accepted the umpiring mistake with great magnanimity, but were in effect punished twice by the error, as had England been awarded five runs instead of six, Rashid would have been on strike for the penultimate delivery of the innings rather than Stokes, thus reducing the home side’s chances of reaching their opponents’ total of 241.

Although this was a freak occurrence, there is feeling at MCC that overthrows are worth looking at when they next review the Laws of the game, which is the responsibility of the MCC Laws sub-committee. As guardians of the game, MCC periodically reviews the Laws, although there is no fixed timetable for the next review. The most recent change to the Laws came last November when Law 41.7 was amended to permit umpires to show greater leniency to bowlers delivering beamers.
 
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There isn't any ambiguity in the law, the confusion has been caused by people who don't know the game.

The change proposed is that the ball becomes dead if it hits the batsman, and possibly also the stumps if the batsman is home. You with your A (starred mark you) English shouldn't have a problem distinguishing that, but obviously standards have dropped since O level days.

You are still wrong. Which bit of the law do you find ambiguous?

P.S. I know nowt about rugby which is why I don't try and lecture people who do about the laws of the game.


I don't have a subscription and I can read the bulk of that article perfectly fine.

Here you go, none of this is behind any paywall.
Enjoy 1 complimentary article
CRICKET

Overthrow law to be reviewed after World Cup final controversy
exclusive
, Elizabeth Ammon
July 20 2019, 12:01am, The Times

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The ball deflected off Stokes’s bat for four additional runs, though England should have been awarded only one of the two they ranACTION IMAGES VIA REUTERS/PETER CZIBORRA
Share

MCC is planning to review the controversial Law 19 relating to overthrows that played a huge part in England’s thrilling World Cup final win over New Zealand at Lord’s last Sunday.

England were erroneously given an extra run in the final over of their dramatic run chase, when the umpires Marais Erasmus and Kumar Dharmasena awarded six runs instead of five after failing to spot that Ben Stokes and Adil Rashid had not crossed for a second run before the fielder’s throw, which went for four overthrows. This ultimately enabled Eoin Morgan’s side to tie the match before winning the World Cup in a Super Over.

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Stokes and Rashid had not crossed when the ball was thrown, meaning they should have been given five, rather than six, runs
The former umpire, Simon Taufel, was the first to spot the error, which he described as “a clear mistake” in an interview several hours after the final but there is considerable sympathy for the umpires, who are being asked to look in two different directions at the same time. Law 19.8 relating to overthrows states that “if a boundary results from an overthrow” the runs scored shall be “the allowance for the boundary and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw”. One first-class umpire told The Times that it was “a bad Law” and needed to be clarified.

Television replays clearly showed that Stokes and Rashid had not crossed for a second run when Martin Guptill threw the ball in from the boundary, so England should have been awarded only a single in addition to the four overthrows given as a result of the deflection from the Durham all- rounder’s bat as he dived to make his ground, which would have left them needing four runs from the final two balls to win the World Cup. New Zealand accepted the umpiring mistake with great magnanimity, but were in effect punished twice by the error, as had England been awarded five runs instead of six, Rashid would have been on strike for the penultimate delivery of the innings rather than Stokes, thus reducing the home side’s chances of reaching their opponents’ total of 241.

Although this was a freak occurrence, there is feeling at MCC that overthrows are worth looking at when they next review the Laws of the game, which is the responsibility of the MCC Laws sub-committee. As guardians of the game, MCC periodically reviews the Laws, although there is no fixed timetable for the next review. The most recent change to the Laws came last November when Law 41.7 was amended to permit umpires to show greater leniency to bowlers delivering beamers.

Good to know that two international umpires don’t know the law but you do. You really are making a fool of yourself
 
Good to know that two international umpires don’t know the law but you do. You really are making a fool of yourself
Which two?

If it's the two in the match itself, they do know the law but didn't have access to that picture so couldn't know they hadn't crossed, and also apparently you think one of them doesn't know the law about wides, while you do. So bollocks either way really.
 
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Which two?

If it's the two in the match itself, they do know the law but didn't have access to that picture so couldn't know they hadn't crossed, and also apparently you think one of them doesn't know the law about wides, while you do. So bollocks either way really.

The third umpire also reviewed the decision and gave 6 rather than 5, and he will have seen the footage. As he confirmed in a statement the following day. Significant difference between a tight on the spot wide call and a tv check of a run.
 
An"TravellingMackem, post: 30113358, member: 43760"]The third umpire also reviewed the decision and gave 6 rather than 5, and he will have seen the footage. As he confirmed in a statement the following day. Significant difference between a tight on the spot wide call and a tv check of a run.[/QUOTE]
Even if the 3rd umpire did review it, and we have no idea if he did anyway, if he'd seen that picture he would have given 5. If not then he got it wrong too.

You still thought you knew more about the wide law than the umpire.

I can't believe you just won't accept that you're wrong about this. :lol: We can have £20 on it if you like. Do a bit of proper research before you accept that.

I can help, this interview confirms he had no access to TV replays at the time and admits he made a mistake.



Give it up. I mean, making up stuff to avoid admitting you're wrong is a bit embarrassing.

Former Sri Lankan Test player Dharmasena told the Sunday Times he did not have the benefit of television replays which showed the batsmen had not crossed.

"I agree that there was an error of judgement when I see it on TV replays now," Dharmasena, who was umpiring the final with South Africa's Marais Erasmus, told the local Sunday Times.

"But we did not have the luxury of TV replays at the ground and I do not regret the decision I made."
 
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