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Newcastle FC (june/july2019)

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Amaw said:
So Fulham are not included? and Brighton? Even you?

I wouldn't be happy if we went and pissed 100mil up the wall and went into administration, but I want to spend a little more than we make just to give it a go.
Look I know it looks like I am being childish "I want more, I want more" but a club without ambition is a dead club. Fulham gave it a go by spending something like 100mil it failed but they gave it a go, there fans would have been loving it. Ok it failed but had they played cautiously and spent within their means they would have failed too, but the fan base would have been pissed that they didn't even try..
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Liverpool spent 190m and made a 125m profit after getting to the chpions league final.

Minus the Coutinho money they recieved. That's a spend of around 100m with profit.

So how does Nufc compare?

Your profits are approx in the 10m a season region I'd say Ur spending is spot on
 

jlaws said:
Really? What does that say about them? It is not like they have seen there team relegated twice and end up with the lowest finish in club history.
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I think they missed the last couple of seasons and vowed not to go back while Ashley was there.

'Coincidentally' the rumours of a takeover came around when the Season Tickets came out.
 
Banks said:
Liverpool spent 190m and made a 125m profit after getting to the chpions league final.

Minus the Coutinho money they recieved. That's a spend of around 100m with profit.

So how does Nufc compare?

Your profits are approx in the 10m a season region I'd say Ur spending is spot on
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They made £18m after tax in 2017/18, but that was after losing £41m the previous year. They're back in a net assets balance sheet position, but it's only £8m. There's really not a lot of headroom there until they clear the promotion season overspend. The problem is that they spent way more getting out of the Championship than they needed to, and this has restricted what they could do afterwards.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
They made £18m after tax in 2017/18, but that was after losing £41m the previous year. They're back in a net assets balance sheet position, but it's only £8m. There's really not a lot of headroom there until they clear the promotion season overspend. The problem is that they spent way more getting out of the Championship than they needed to, and this has restricted what they could do afterwards.
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Said this for years to the mags I know.

Plus why would Ashley increase debt when he gets so much hate and is already owed loads
 
jlaws said:
Really? What does that say about them? It is not like they have seen there team relegated twice and end up with the lowest finish in club history.
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Always said, if they had suffered back to back relegations their ground would be half full.
Absolutely no doubt about it and a measure of how well our gates have held up under the circumstances.
 
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Amaw said:
So the ideal net spend is £0 I agree, that would be the perfect business model, in fact even better would be to make a profit on players each year and still maintain the current team performance.
The issues are:-
The fan base who pumps money in, (yes, a drop in the ocean compared to the TV income) wont take kindly to the lack of investment, if all you do is maintain your position, the fan base would rightly demand that you spend some of the income on trying to improve.
Eventually you wont be able to sell high and buy low, your stars will eventually disappear and assets just wont be able to bring the revenue to enable you to buy the quality to maintain your position. If you keep watering down cordial it will eventually just become water.
Whats the point in sport to aim to achieve mediocrity? If your aim is simply to do just enough to survive, whats the point? I get that it's the best that currently we can hope for, but if you find a star you start to build around them, build a team that has a chance of pushing on, make the next step. If you cash that star in to fund the next couple of players (lack of investment) then you are back to square one.
I don't see the point.
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Here's the thing. The best either of us could hope for at present is mid-table mediocrity (a world away for us at present I know). Rafa performed perfectly well in his remit to achieve that - I for one think he is a good manager. Mike Ashley to my mind has actually given him the platform with which to accomplish this also. So what is the point? To me, if you can remain reasonably comfortable in the top division, sign the odd decent player, put a few results together, you might actually come within grasp of achieving something in the cups. We went close in 2014. Ok it was only the League Cup and not the FA Cup, but if we had come away with that trophy I honestly think I could have died a happy Sunderland supporter. So my question to you is, after a couple of reasonably comfortable finishes in the Premier League, where was Rafa's ambition in those cup competitions?

I'm not entirely sure what more Newcastle fans expect to achieve in the current climate, but I don't think a cup run would have been too far fetched an idea. And I'm sorry like, but Mike Ashley is not the one to blame for you not having one.
 
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WhoAreYa73 said:
You still haven’t grasped what I’ve implied :lol: thick as a castle wall. You are all very touchy today, you can come on a Sunderland fan forum and give it out but can never take it. There was even a caller on talksport last night saying talking about Mourinho man :lol: deluded as fuck.

No takeover, no Rafa, it’s all gone abit tits up. I’m surprised you haven’t used the typical response of “league one” yet. It’s all you lot have. Yes I meant all Newcastle fans not just you personally.
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You saying all Newcastle fans automatically includes me in that group seeing as I am a Newcastle fan.

Again, where did I say it? If you’re saying all Newcastle fans.

Bit weird to call me thicker than a castle wall when you seem to lack even the simplest grasp of the English language tbf.
 
Banks said:
Liverpool spent 190m and made a 125m profit after getting to the chpions league final.

Minus the Coutinho money they recieved. That's a spend of around 100m with profit.

So how does Nufc compare?

Your profits are approx in the 10m a season region I'd say Ur spending is spot on
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Yeah, we are competing at our level and spending within our level, we can't deny that.
All I am saying is that we either try and maintain this, hope we find a cheap star and rely upon loans, hope that there is atleast three teams that are worse than us. Since Ashley has came in we have been relegated twice and all but two seasons have been in a relegation battle for the majority of the season.
So this doesn't work, essentially we are a yoyo club. ok, I can accept that is what we are.
However a gamble is required, spend more than our income and try to become a safe mid table club, raise our profile and try and get further investment via sponsorship etc that would raise our income. (even the current raise in ticket prices is something I would endorse if I was sure that would be invested) from there, you gamble again, try and become the challengers for the Europa spots. This requires future planning and extra investment. but we don't, we have to settle because we have a Chairman that wont invest, and I guess why would he gamble, he doesn't like us, we don't like him so why would he.
I don't see why any fan of any sports club in the world wouldn't want that, it's become a very strange game where being ran sensibly (at the cost of the sporting side) is something to be admired.. I find it bizarre.
 
chriswallace85 said:
Here's the thing. The best either of us could hope for at present is mid-table mediocrity (a world away for us at present I know). Rafa performed perfectly well in his remit to achieve that - I for one think he is a good manager. Mike Ashley to my mind has actually given him the platform with which to accomplish this also. So what is the point? To me, if you can remain reasonably comfortable in the top division, sign the odd decent player, put a few results together, you might actually come within grasp of achieving something in the cups. We went close in 2014. Ok it was only the League Cup and not the FA Cup, but if we had come away with that trophy I honestly think I could have died a happy Sunderland supporter. So my question to you is, after a couple of reasonably comfortable finishes in the Premier League, where was Rafa's ambition in those cup competitions?

I'm not entirely sure what more Newcastle fans expect to achieve in the current climate, but I don't think a cup run would have been too far fetched an idea. And I'm sorry like, but Mike Ashley is not the one to blame for you not having one.
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Good post. 4 times he was beaten by lower league opposition in the cup after putting out a weakened side. Of course you’d think Ashley told him to do this.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
They made £18m after tax in 2017/18, but that was after losing £41m the previous year. They're back in a net assets balance sheet position, but it's only £8m. There's really not a lot of headroom there until they clear the promotion season overspend. The problem is that they spent way more getting out of the Championship than they needed to, and this has restricted what they could do afterwards.
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This is the one thing I don't understand.
I can see how Ashley's stewardship of the club and what appeared at time to be trolling their fanbase to take the piss would really rile people.

But the relegation, with decreased revenue and massive outlay was a gamble, and after spending all of that money on top of existing debt, there was always the distinct possibility of the club not spending much and just holding on to Premier league statue to use the television money to put them in a better position financially.

I don't understand why people can't see this.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
They made £18m after tax in 2017/18, but that was after losing £41m the previous year. They're back in a net assets balance sheet position, but it's only £8m. There's really not a lot of headroom there until they clear the promotion season overspend. The problem is that they spent way more getting out of the Championship than they needed to, and this has restricted what they could do afterwards.
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9 th richest club in the world man:lol::lol::lol:
 
Supposedly the clause expired in the January window, so he could have left earlier.

Also the clause was 6 million both ways, if Rafa is sacked then Ashley gives him 6 million and if Rafa walks then he gives Ashley 6 million. That would seem like a sensible way to arrange that sort of severance deal.
 
Amaw said:
Yeah, we are competing at our level and spending within our level, we can't deny that.
All I am saying is that we either try and maintain this, hope we find a cheap star and rely upon loans, hope that there is atleast three teams that are worse than us. Since Ashley has came in we have been relegated twice and all but two seasons have been in a relegation battle for the majority of the season.
So this doesn't work, essentially we are a yoyo club. ok, I can accept that is what we are.
However a gamble is required, spend more than our income and try to become a safe mid table club, raise our profile and try and get further investment via sponsorship etc that would raise our income. (even the current raise in ticket prices is something I would endorse if I was sure that would be invested) from there, you gamble again, try and become the challengers for the Europa spots. This requires future planning and extra investment. but we don't, we have to settle because we have a Chairman that wont invest, and I guess why would he gamble, he doesn't like us, we don't like him so why would he.
I don't see why any fan of any sports club in the world wouldn't want that, it's become a very strange game where being ran sensibly (at the cost of the sporting side) is something to be admired.. I find it bizarre.
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I actually think the Europe League is nowt but bad news for clubs outside of the top 6.
 
Amaw said:
Yeah, we are competing at our level and spending within our level, we can't deny that.
from there, you gamble again, try and become the challengers for the Europa spots. This requires future planning and extra investment. but we don't, we have to settle because we have a Chairman that wont invest, and I guess why would he gamble, he doesn't like us, we don't like him so why would he..
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trouble is you could qualify for the Europa League then twist like fuck about having to go to Albania in July and field the reserves, then get knocked out by a French team in the first round, the Premier League is shite tbh and it really wouldn't bother me if we didn't get back
 
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