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stephen cartwright said:
No home crowd in the history of football, does not get on players backs when losing at home?

Am I the only one who thinks that?


Imo you are wrong

Arsenal booed until wenger retired for five years, is one example
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This season I've watched games on telly where Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea (off the top of my head) fans have booed at half time.

I seriously don't get the self loathing on here.

Mr RAWhite said:
I honestly don't think there is a human being alive who could perform to their best when getting so much stick from your own "supporters"..
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What stick? You'd think it was a bear piy, the way people go on.

Apparently Wyke was booed, I didn't hear but did hear the half time ones. Not one other club of our stature would have fans not doing that when losing to Accrington, none.
 
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If I was a player it wouldn't bother me one bit what the crowd were doing. Some people have different mind sets and it would bother them.

This team as per usual for a Sunderland side do seem soft and fragile so they do need the supporters to be sympathetic and more positive during the match.
 
When it went 2 2 the other day the crowd were great...if as a player that dosnt motivate you dont know what will?...i was sure we would kick on to win but for some reason we seemed to "die". Said this many times, give fans something to get behind and the majority will.
Love it when we are all pushing on together...players must get a right boost...McGeady tore them to shreds for 20 mins and really does respond to the crowd.SOL should be a fantastic place to play your football(minus the boo boys!)
 
You have to have a strong mentality to play here, the owners said as much in the summer, unfortunately it seems we’ve signed several players that the club is too big for.
 
mysticmackem said:
He was that good that he got dragged off in the 54th minute, maybe the crowd are right that he's shit, or are you saying the crowd are causing his shitness? I remember Kelvin Davis getting more crap than that, every time the ball went anywhere near him. He eventually went the journey.
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Not blaming the crowd for him being shit at all marra. Just mentioning the dick heads who give him grief even when he's got hold of the ball who can't wait to get on his back.
 
Johnsafc said:
Give over. Crowd were completely passive under Moyes and last season yet we came bottom both times. That had nowt to do with crowd. Support has been fantastic last few years.

The atmosphere has been flat this year & we are really struggling with a lack of originality in our chants. However, these games simply aren't big games, can't kid yourself otherwise. Nobody cares about a game with Accrington, Luton or Barnsley.

Last 2 games crowd have been edgy but that's on the back of sitting throughout 2 months of woeful passive performances with no real payoff
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Just to be clear, are you suggesting the fans rarely got on the players' backs last season?
 
The best atmospheres are when we put tackles in, build pressure and momentum then the crowd respond to that. Keane and Allardyce got this. Though we havent really played like that this season. Constantly passing it sideways and slow buildup play doesnt help make an atmosphere.
 
Goldeneye said:
The best atmospheres are when we put tackles in, build pressure and momentum then the crowd respond to that. Keane and Allardyce got this. Though we havent really played like that this season. Constantly passing it sideways and slow buildup play doesnt help make an atmosphere.
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I think as soon as we move the ball around with a bit of purpose the fans tend to get on side.

Sloppy passing, missed tackles, and standing off absolutely dross league one teams, people tend to get a bit angsty.
 
must be an absolute nightmare playing at the SOL for a struggling player. i understand the frustration but can't fathom boo'ing our own players during the game or sarcastic cheers for Wyke for example if he touches the ball or something. what do people honestly think that's going to achieve
 
Difference between the home and away fans is massive. A misplaced pass at SOL at the start of a game and the fans are on the players back for the entire game and it turns toxic. The empty seats don't help either as it makes it a lot easier for players to hear individual comments.

This probably isn't just Sunderland but it is bad at the SOL. I always get a feeling that a decent percentage of the fans actually go to the game looking forward to being able to shout at someone, players or ref because it is an outlet from the day to day of their lives, doesn't really help the team though.
 
stephen cartwright said:
No home crowd in the history of football, does not get on players backs when losing at home?

Am I the only one who thinks that?
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I've been in a few. BUT, there's a trade-off. Some of the crowds on the continent (thinking primarily Germany), and even a few over here in MLS now, don't noticabily get on the home side when their behind. They have large sections that simply sing constantly, regardless of score. But there's the thing, their singing and chanting is contrived, pre-planned and often organized by some bozo who has his back turned to the match.

I don't mean to claim Nelson! is making this comparison, in fact, I doubt he is, but where he lives currently, there's an MLS team that sells out it's tight little ground every week. 21,000 or so every week, and at one end, about 5,000 of them standing and singing constantly. I've been there as an away fan, watched them on television semi-frequently, can't recall the atmosphere ever turning toxic when they've gone behind. Now, some of the stuff is boring as hell, 10 minutes of constantly repeating "Onward, Rose City" for example. But I give them this, they are always with their side, never against it. So it can be done.

Without the contrived bits, which I don't like and aren't part of the culture of crowds in England, there will be natural lulls, there will be some groans when things go poorly. If the team is struggling to get across the halfway line, there's not much that can be done to raise the atmosphere. But I'd still argue SOL crowds are a bit slow to lift their side. Yes, at 2-2 it was great. Pretty good at 2-1, even. But a 1-0, there was a clear pattern. If we built a decent attack, noise would rise, but when the attack ended, even if it ended with a decent effort or ball that someone didn't quite get on to, the noise immediately died with it. That's the point where something should start up. The side have done something, given the crowd something to get behind, can the crowd take that moment to lift the atmosphere? Even just a brief "Ha'way the Lads," or summit would help. But until 2-1, it didn't happen. In the early second half the team was attacking, the crowd was still pretty passive.

Two final points - first, as best I can tell from iFollow, it was far better at the start of the season, it's far better for away matches. More evidence it CAN be done without the contrived nonsense. Second, yes, in the end it's down to the players and the managers to perform. But if the crowd can play a role in helping that, why are some on here so desperate to defend doing the opposite?
 
I Claudio said:
I've been in a few. BUT, there's a trade-off. Some of the crowds on the continent (thinking primarily Germany), and even a few over here in MLS now, don't noticabily get on the home side when their behind. They have large sections that simply sing constantly, regardless of score. But there's the thing, their singing and chanting is contrived, pre-planned and often organized by some bozo who has his back turned to the match.

I don't mean to claim Nelson! is making this comparison, in fact, I doubt he is, but where he lives currently, there's an MLS team that sells out it's tight little ground every week. 21,000 or so every week, and at one end, about 5,000 of them standing and singing constantly. I've been there as an away fan, watched them on television semi-frequently, can't recall the atmosphere ever turning toxic when they've gone behind. Now, some of the stuff is boring as hell, 10 minutes of constantly repeating "Onward, Rose City" for example. But I give them this, they are always with their side, never against it. So it can be done.

Without the contrived bits, which I don't like and aren't part of the culture of crowds in England, there will be natural lulls, there will be some groans when things go poorly. If the team is struggling to get across the halfway line, there's not much that can be done to raise the atmosphere. But I'd still argue SOL crowds are a bit slow to lift their side. Yes, at 2-2 it was great. Pretty good at 2-1, even. But a 1-0, there was a clear pattern. If we built a decent attack, noise would rise, but when the attack ended, even if it ended with a decent effort or ball that someone didn't quite get on to, the noise immediately died with it. That's the point where something should start up. The side have done something, given the crowd something to get behind, can the crowd take that moment to lift the atmosphere? Even just a brief "Ha'way the Lads," or summit would help. But until 2-1, it didn't happen. In the early second half the team was attacking, the crowd was still pretty passive.

Two final points - first, as best I can tell from iFollow, it was far better at the start of the season, it's far better for away matches. More evidence it CAN be done without the contrived nonsense. Second, yes, in the end it's down to the players and the managers to perform. But if the crowd can play a role in helping that, why are some on here so desperate to defend doing the opposite?
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Can’t argue with any of this. Thank you
 
So after all that the OP doesn't even go to the games :lol: funny that

Anyone who criticises our fans after what we've had to put up with in last few years can piss right off tbh. The crowd if anything have shown staggering patience with the club.
 
Nelson! said:
...is a massive factor in why we will never kick on.

It's been evident since the first home game where things didn't go out way. Norwich game in 1997, berating the team even though they were creating bucket loads of chances, because we weren't winning. A few weeks later Quinn was being stretchered off to a huge cheer. You're not allowed to mention these things now because they offend the ego of the "best support in the world" brigade.

We need to stick with the team through adversity, which seems to be beyond our home crowd. The pressure on the team first half was massive and palpable from 4,000 miles away. Groans, boos, sarcastic cheers. Unbelievable.

Results are disappointing, no question. The home crowd however have to take a look at themselves and their role in making the SOL a difficult place to play for the home team.

Tin hat off because it's true even though people will kick off. 20 years of getting on our own players backs is evidence enough, away team love coming here and have for years.
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Crock of shit. Get your facts right
 
naughtynose said:
So after all that the OP doesn't even go to the games :lol: funny that

Anyone who criticises our fans after what we've had to put up with in last few years can piss right off tbh. The crowd if anything have shown staggering patience with the club.
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Totally disagree.. The crowd can play a massive part in games that was never more clearly highlighted than last Friday.. For a time the players looked like rabbits caught in headlights as every stray pass or missed tackle was greeted with boos and jeers. Then we got a goal back and the atmosphere changed completely and all of a sudden we were on the front foot.. Let's get behind the team for 90 minutes and give them the best chance we can..
 
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