Keawyeds
Striker
Not sure this is how risk assessments work.
It's not, but it is me seeing Darwin Awards in action.
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Not sure this is how risk assessments work.
Exactly. If some **** pushed me in I'd be swimming back out to bray the *****.Can nobody swim? If someone pushed me in to a canal, even if drunk, I'd just swim to a ladder or get some attention from a passerby to help?
Exactly. If some **** pushed me in I'd be swimming back out to bray the *****.
Ya wadn't just die though ha'way. Surely if someone is going about pushing people in canals there'd be some survivors.Doubt you would
Ya wadn't just die though ha'way. Surely if someone is going about pushing people in canals there'd be some survivors.
Serious questions being raised surrounding this, over 80 deaths in 8 years but most evidence has been inconclusive.
Daily Mail I know-
'Manchester Pusher' strikes again as body found in canals | Daily Mail Online
What’s the general consensus here ? Personally I find it hard to believe, but looking at the Manchester Evening News website, locals are getting increasing worried.
I've lived in Manchester city centre. there was a canal out the back of my flats.
From what I can remember in the main there were no railings alongside it although you could probably get back out if you were pushed/fell in.
The canal runs through The Village and I can't recall anyone falling in it there recently.
Some of the ones where people have fallen in are off Oxford Road and behind large buildings. They're used as a cut through to Deansgate Locks etc.
It doesn't surprise me one bit that people have fallen in when pissed.
The solutions are these:
1. Close the towpaths over night
2. Put up barriers (not going to stop people going in IMHO)
3. Look after your friends FFS.
In terms of "Manchester Pusher" the only way I can see someone going in the canal and not being heard/seen is if they're
1) Pissed
2) Already unconscious - whack on the bonce and in you go. I've seen no evidence of this though.
Granted there's a case for cold water shock doing people in and I suspect there's a lot of that. But if you're sober, you should be able to get yourself to a position where you can get out - or get help to get you out.
Drunk / drugged men pissing in canals , leaning forward and falling in - in Amsterdam at least a lot of the victims were found with their trousers undone and there’s a medical phenomenon where people can faint briefly while urinating
Don't know why they cant just put railings round the canals and CCTV tbh.
And ? .People have sex there you pervert.
And ? .
Public safety is surely more important ?You can't be setting up voyeurism opportunities.
Public safety is surely more important ?
I read up on the pusher a few years ago when the supposed tally was still only 64.
Even if you were sober and someone had put you there and was hanging around to keep you there, then eventually you could succumb. The other comment is there may be a low or next-to-zero incidence around Canal Street due to the sheer numbers of people that go there on a weekend.
A paramedic who I talked to on holiday said 70,000 people passed through Canal Street on a weekend (mainly straight people wanting the party atmosphere) so it would be noticed if someone was pushing people in the water around there and any offender would be caught.
But in general your comments are fair enough.
The pissed student scenario (like Durham and York) is the most likely scenario to me, though I can't comment in the absence of autopsy reports and specifically alcohol levels in recovered bodies. I remember the fuss about safety barriers next to the Wear in Durham and lighting on the path between Milburngate Bridge and the cathedral to create a safe route for drunk students to go home.
That said, pissed people don't necessarily use common sense, so (in Manchester) I don't know how effective closing towpaths and putting up barriers would be.
It is very probably there have been numerous incidents where people have been pushed in as a prank by mates or someone getting one over on, say, students. It may be there have been separate incidents of people being bumped off and dumped in the canals.
But an organised serial killer is a harder one to pin down as surely a clear MO would be apparent by now. The coroner himself is ceptical.
There is one caveat here in that dumping a body in the water would wash away a lot of evidence fromthe surfaces of bodies.
So you never know and there might be something in it.
But even then, we might only be talking about a much, much smaller number of people than the 80 suggested.
You mean the "whoosh" moment when you just unleash your stream when bursting and your body relaxes just after that initial whoosh?
The Dutch are better swimmers?The problem I have with these being accidents is that there are far more canals in Amsterdam and I’d hazard a guess that people there are far more baked than they are in Manchester, and the canals are incredibly easy to fall into (I did). So therefore the Dam should have a far higher canal death rate than Manchester. If it doesn’t, what else does that suggest?
The problem I have with these being accidents is that there are far more canals in Amsterdam and I’d hazard a guess that people there are far more baked than they are in Manchester, and the canals are incredibly easy to fall into (I did). So therefore the Dam should have a far higher canal death rate than Manchester. If it doesn’t, what else does that suggest?
A quick Google showed me about 100 people fall into Amsterdam canals and on average 18 die annually.
Seems higher than Manchester but I'm not pissing about calculating rates.
It suggests that it might be significant that there are railings between footpaths & a lot of the canals in Amsterdam, whereas there are very few canalside railings in Manchester.The problem I have with these being accidents is that there are far more canals in Amsterdam and I’d hazard a guess that people there are far more baked than they are in Manchester, and the canals are incredibly easy to fall into (I did). So therefore the Dam should have a far higher canal death rate than Manchester. If it doesn’t, what else does that suggest?