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Craft Beer

Hammer said:
I'm not saying they shouldn't exist, just they seem to be all that's available apart from the typical Brew Dog shite in lots of places at the moment. It only seems to have happened in the last couple of months.
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It does seem like Tesco has started stocking loads of fruited berlinerweisse.

It’s no bad thing though tbh.

The thought of berlinerweisse going a bit mainstream makes me happy.
 

AndrewP said:
It's ok. Nowt special though imo.
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Its odd, Wheat beers were the main drink that got me off lager back around 2005, starting with Hoegaarden and Krony blanc. But I don't care for them at all now, they are really bland

Town End Farmer Giles said:
4 x Goose Island IPA was £4.50 in Asda, not sure if it’s still that price. Sooner stock up on those mesel rather than buy a Wheat beer and a session IPA, but if you like all 3 in the case it’s a canny deal.
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I really can't get my head round how they can import it for that price. Its mind-blowing?
 
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Town End Farmer Giles said:
Didn’t even know it was imported, assumed since it’s owned by Anheuser Busch it was done over here under license.
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The cans are still American sized 12oz cans (355ml), so seems its still made and imported to here.
I can't find anything that suggests its made here now, which is actually what I did expect to see
 
ozz said:
According to the Morning Advertiser- the pub newspaper- sales of craft beers have fallen off a cliff.
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In pubs that wouldn't surprise me. There was a big boom in pubs installing new lines for things like Punk IPA to jump on a bandwagon, only to discover that the product was just too niche for their customers.

Same thing happened with Hoegaarden years ago. It became trendy, all the pubs bought into it... huge volumes of sales. Then a sharp decline as landlords realised they couldn't shift it and had it taken out. I think craft has had the same experience.

For me craft beers don't seem to have a middle ground. They're either really nice or undrinkable.
 
Redandwhitedust said:
In pubs that wouldn't surprise me. There was a big boom in pubs installing new lines for things like Punk IPA to jump on a bandwagon, only to discover that the product was just too niche for their customers.

Same thing happened with Hoegaarden years ago. It became trendy, all the pubs bought into it... huge volumes of sales. Then a sharp decline as landlords realised they couldn't shift it and had it taken out. I think craft has had the same experience.

For me craft beers don't seem to have a middle ground. They're either really nice or undrinkable.
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Price will be the number one factor.
 
Redandwhitedust said:
In pubs that wouldn't surprise me. There was a big boom in pubs installing new lines for things like Punk IPA to jump on a bandwagon, only to discover that the product was just too niche for their customers.

Same thing happened with Hoegaarden years ago. It became trendy, all the pubs bought into it... huge volumes of sales. Then a sharp decline as landlords realised they couldn't shift it and had it taken out. I think craft has had the same experience.

For me craft beers don't seem to have a middle ground. They're either really nice or undrinkable.
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There’s a middle ground for sure. Marble Pint as an example is a lovely, drinkable beer without being spectacular.

Kind of spectacular in how simple yet perfect for what is is mind. A proper example of brilliant brewing :lol:

Anyhow, I’ve stopped off at Coppers on the way home, very pleased they had a can of Even Sharks Need Water there!
 
Redandwhitedust said:
In pubs that wouldn't surprise me. There was a big boom in pubs installing new lines for things like Punk IPA to jump on a bandwagon, only to discover that the product was just too niche for their customers.

Same thing happened with Hoegaarden years ago. It became trendy, all the pubs bought into it... huge volumes of sales. Then a sharp decline as landlords realised they couldn't shift it and had it taken out. I think craft has had the same experience.

For me craft beers don't seem to have a middle ground. They're either really nice or undrinkable.
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Used to love a pint of Höegaarden. Foreign stuff at the correct % abv is lush. 6.5% iirc
 
Charmless Man said:
There’s a middle ground for sure. Marble Pint as an example is a lovely, drinkable beer without being spectacular.

Kind of spectacular in how simple yet perfect for what is is mind. A proper example of brilliant brewing :lol:
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Marble used to do Pint in cask... nice beer but I'm curious what they've done to make it 'craft'. Would try it certainly
 
Redandwhitedust said:
Marble used to do Pint in cask... nice beer but I'm curious what they've done to make it 'craft'. Would try it certainly
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They still do afaik.

Why would they have to do something to make it ‘craft’? Loads of cask ales can reasonably be called ‘craft’. Marble are a craft brewery in that they experiment, push the boundaries and make a real quality product.
 
Charmless Man said:
They still do afaik.

Why would they have to do something to make it ‘craft’? Loads of cask ales can reasonably be called ‘craft’. Marble are a craft brewery in that they experiment, push the boundaries and make a real quality product.
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Some of the best craft comes in cask imo, it works really well for some styles. We’ve just had Wylam All Formats in cask and it was f***ing marvellous!

ozz said:
Funnily enough i work in Paddock wood where most british Hops are stored and exported from and it was a Hop man that told me it was all shit and produced from a concentrate- the hop pellets could be the thing then.
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It does make you wonder why they bothered building a gid big f***ing brewery in Scotland if they just dilute and carbonate.
 
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DoctorMick said:
Some of the best craft comes in cask imo, it works really well for some styles. We’ve just had Wylam All Formats in cask and it was f***ing marvellous!


It does make you wonder why they bothered building a gid big f***ing brewery in Scotland if they just dilute and carbonate.
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Yep, my old place was probably a ‘cask first’ craft brewery.

And I wouldn’t listen to @ozz - he’s been speaking to a Kentish hop man who is absolutely gutted people have cottoned on to the fact that fuggles taste like dog arse.
 
This is what I find awkward. There doesn't seem to be a definition of what cask and craft are. Where do you draw the line?

Ringwood call their beer Craft. Some of the one man operation microbreweries do.

There should be a definition. And I don't buy the whole 'Its about taste' all beer is about taste! Nor do I buy into that it's somehow small, artisan or anything special. Brew dog are happy to be a craft brewery but are turning out massive quantities and supplying national chains and supermarkets.

Seems to me that "craft" is basically a marketing term and an excuse to sell in a smaller can or at a higher price
 
Redandwhitedust said:
This is what I find awkward. There doesn't seem to be a definition of what cask and craft are. Where do you draw the line?

Ringwood call their beer Craft. Some of the one man operation microbreweries do.

There should be a definition. And I don't buy the whole 'Its about taste' all beer is about taste! Nor do I buy into that it's somehow small, artisan or anything special. Brew dog are happy to be a craft brewery but are turning out massive quantities and supplying national chains and supermarkets.

Seems to me that "craft" is basically a marketing term and an excuse to sell in a smaller can or at a higher price
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Why does there have to be a definition? It’s not some reserved term like Champagne. Just let it be.

I’d say an overarching definition would have to be they don’t have ownership or backing from a big corporate brewer (Brewdog-Coors out, Beaverken out) and consistently strive to innovate and push the envelope. They embrace all ways of serving beer as well.

BrewDog is probably shunned by most craft aficionados, btw.
 
Charmless Man said:
Why does there have to be a definition? It’s not some reserved term like Champagne. Just let it be.

I’d say an overarching definition would have to be they don’t have ownership or backing from a big corporate brewer (Brewdog-Coors out, Beaverken out) and consistently strive to innovate and push the envelope. They embrace all ways of serving beer as well.

BrewDog is probably shunned by most craft aficionados, btw.
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I think a definition does matter. Because otherwise you end up with a situation where every man and his dog applies 'craft' to their beer and it becomes a meaningless phrase. Its already happening. I've seen Hophouse 13 in pubs described as a 'craft' product. It really isn't.
 
Redandwhitedust said:
I think a definition does matter. Because otherwise you end up with a situation where every man and his dog applies 'craft' to their beer and it becomes a meaningless phrase. Its already happening. I've seen Hophouse 13 in pubs described as a 'craft' product. It really isn't.
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You’ve made the point for yourself. A beer can brand itself as such but the ‘community’ might well reject it. Just as we’ve seen with Beavertown getting it’s Heineken investment.

Clearly the craft community is going to reject a Guinness product as not ‘craft’. Doesn’t mean it’s shite (hophouse is like) just not craft. Just as Neck Oil hasn’t become shite now Logan Plant is thrashing his cock to death with Dutch beer money - we await the outcome of that.
 
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