England v India 4th Test

[Bri]

cook, burns, stoneman/pope, root, stokes, buttler, bairstow, ali, woakes, curran, broad, Anderson


speaking of number 3s, whats scott borthwick up to these days, i have no interest in anyone outside durham so have no idea what is going on in the county scene.

Got dropped the last game in favour of Dean Edgar. Average is 40, got quite a few 50's but no century this season. Mind he's already got 2(?) championship medals and about to get another. Not bad. More a few entire Counties.

 

[Salem Street South]

Top class might be pushing it at the moment but it should be said this is his first series at home and our batsmen are continuing to fail to get him big runs to bowl at.

His ability with the bat I feel is a bit undervalued and his presence seems to have a good effect on Moeen.

I’d like us to persist as I see him as another all rounder capable of winning us games in the future.

rashid is not a red ball cricketer IMO and got picked off the back off one really good ball he bowled.

re your comment about stokes you could argue the fact that he managed to put on some runs and grind out time is a sign of development rather than a negative.

i find it quite odd that some days the commentators will say x y or z has to be allowed to play their natural game, then if that doesn't fit their argument or agenda then the player needs to be able to adapt to match situations. then when suddenly you have stokes strike rate dropping down it's a chance to criticise him.

Just playing devil’s advocate to be honest mate.

I actually agree with that argument about Stokes, it’s good to see him develop another string to his bow and he continues to contribute with bat and ball at vital times.

But he’s looked out of sorts since that 50 off 100 in the first ODI and Bob Willis made the point that he needs to get the balance right between blocking it and smacking it to be a well rounded batsman with a fully developed game and I think that’s his next step.

You can’t keep him out of games for long though, injured or not, and as a fan that’s great.

Absolutely and we’ve not done that

But we were a lot closer when we had the team that won in South Africa

I really have no idea why we moved away from that

Bairstow at 7, Ali at 8, Stokes 6, Root 4

They should be nailed on in those conditions

Buttler can absolutely bat 5 and he’s not arsed about keeping wicket

We need to find a top 3

Hardest thing to do. But let’s try people. Take is series by series.

I’m well aware of our faults and they’re massive but we do have a lot of strengths and we are just moving away from it and it annoys me

Muddled thinking

Malan could be a possibility at 3 abroad I reckon.

Rashid isn’t good evough and I’ve always thought that

I agree with most of that, especially the 6-8 positions.

I’d like to see Malan given (and take) another chance, whether that’s at 3 or not I don’t know. I’d really like to see Moeen make it there, especially given this winter’s likely conditions, as that would allow us to play the extra all rounder. Otherwise, possibly Bairstow, for the same reason.

Rashid I think is worth persisting with.

 

[smoker]

I just think people need to look at England more positively, and that includes fans, selectors, pundits

I’ve never seen so many talented genuine all rounders, the possibilities of the side are endless

Stokes can score a nearly run a ball 200, bowl 90mph and swing it both ways

Curran can swing the new ball and could be a top 6 player

Bairstow can keep wicket perfectly and score 5 test 100s

Ali can score test 100s and take 9 wickets in a match

Woakes can take the new ball in England and score 100s

That’s absolutely fuckin ridiculous

Be positive, let them play down the order and let’s work harder to identify a top 3. Keep trying different players, send young batsman abroad to bat and bat

People aren't worried about strength in depth in all-rounders.

It's the lack of strike bowlers, when Anderson and Broad retire (would you make two all-rounders our frontline attack?), and the piss weak upper batting order.

Its proved we are a decent side

Give owa.

It proved we had some good individuals, but don't have a balanced team: batted and fielded badly and still question marks about Root's captaincy.

If that series was played away, we'd have been hammered, it wouldn't have been tightly contested.

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

People aren't worried about strength in depth in all-rounders.

It's the lack of strike bowlers, when Anderson and Broad retire (would you make two all-rounders our frontline attack?), and the piss weak upper batting order.



Give owa.

It proved we had some good individuals, but don't have a balanced team: batted and fielded badly and still question marks about Root's captaincy.

If that series was played away, we'd have been hammered, it wouldn't have been tightly contested.

Joffra Archer is one of these. Will be interesting whether the ECB bring him on earlier - cynically I would say it depends on fitness of Broad and Anderson. But he has a classic West Indian action - very natural, Courtney Walsh-esque - and bowls his stock at around 88mph from height. A seamer more than a swinger. First class average? 23 - need I say more?

Not too bad with the bat either, though talk of him being an all-rounder probably a bit much. A bowler who can bat a bit will how he will be at test level.

 

[The Rat]

People aren't worried about strength in depth in all-rounders.

It's the lack of strike bowlers, when Anderson and Broad retire (would you make two all-rounders our frontline attack?), and the piss weak upper batting order.



Give owa.

It proved we had some good individuals, but don't have a balanced team: batted and fielded badly and still question marks about Root's captaincy.

If that series was played away, we'd have been hammered, it wouldn't have been tightly contested.

What’s the obsession with away?

Our home record is outstanding and it’s why we beat India and South Africa, both number 1 at the time, 2 years running

I find the desperation to try and downplay our home far frankly bizarre

We’ve lost 2 Home series in 7 years

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

What’s the obsession with away?

Our home record is outstanding and it’s why we beat India and South Africa, both number 1 at the time, 2 years running

I find the desperation to try and downplay our home far frankly bizarre

We’ve lost 2 Home series in 7 years

f***ing Jimmy only had four balls to survive in one of them too - fucks sake, still pissed off about it.

The obsession is because we want to be one of the top sides in the world. I would put us fourth at best - India, Australia and South Africa all make a better fist of travelling than we do.

We are fantastic at home though, there's no denying it.

 

[smoker]

What’s the obsession with away?

Our home record is outstanding and it’s why we beat India and South Africa, both number 1 at the time, 2 years running

I find the desperation to try and downplay our home far frankly bizarre

We’ve lost 2 Home series in 7 years

Why the obsession with away? Because it's 50% of our cricket perhaps.

If you're a football team and draw or win away and get easily beaten away, you end the season in the bottom half.

We have also been less than convincing for much of this summer at home.

We are not a very good test side as our ICC Test ranking attests.

We are fantastic at home though

Did you really mean to use that adjective?

How many times were we five or six down for less than 100 this summer?

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

Why the obsession with away? Because it's 50% of our cricket perhaps.

If you're a football team and draw or win away and get easily beaten away, you end the season in the bottom half.

We have also been less than convincing for much of this summer at home.

We are not a very good test side as our ICC Test ranking attests.



Did you really mean to use that adjective?

How many times were we five or six down for less than 100 this summer?

Give over man, the team is flawed but you can't argue with its winning record! We have only lost two series in fourteen years was it? And one of them was a two gamer against Sri Lanka iirc. So it's only when Graeme Smith's saffas handed our arses to us we've really lost...

The Aussies haven't won an Ashes here since 2001! Can you remember the 1990s?!

Fuck me - we keep winning. Crying out for the perfect test is a mugs game - the win is what matters.

 

[The Rat]

f***ing Jimmy only had four balls to survive in one of them too - fucks sake, still pissed off about it.

The obsession is because we want to be one of the top sides in the world. I would put us fourth at best - India, Australia and South Africa all make a better fist of travelling than we do.

We are fantastic at home though, there's no denying it.

I want to be good away from home too

But people now taking winning at home for granted, it’s hard

We have the hardest batting conditions in world cricket, it’s very hard for the batsman and it’s amazing how good our record is

Why the obsession with away? Because it's 50% of our cricket perhaps.

If you're a football team and draw or win away and get easily beaten away, you end the season in the bottom half.

We have also been less than convincing for much of this summer at home.

We are not a very good test side as our ICC Test ranking attests.



Did you really mean to use that adjective?

How many times were we five or six down for less than 100 this summer?

We are clearly brilliant at home

It’s almost like you’ve paid no attention to the conditions they’ve been batting in

You are so negative I don’t get it

I remember when we stuffed South Africa who were number 1 you used to argue at length about how poor a side they were etc

We have obvious flaws but when we achieve something impressive, don’t dismiss it have some more respect for it

Give over man, the team is flawed but you can't argue with its winning record! We have only lost two series in fourteen years was it? And one of them was a two gamer against Sri Lanka iirc. So it's only when Graeme Smith's saffas handed our arses to us we've really lost...

The Aussies haven't won an Ashes here since 2001! Can you remember the 1990s?!

Fuck me - we keep winning. Crying out for the perfect test is a mugs game - the win is what matters.

It’s almost like just because the top 3 don’t score runs it doesn’t count

Having so many all rounders should be celebrated, it means we win games in different ways

 

[smoker]

We are clearly brilliant at home

Are you going to spend your whole life talking in hyperbole?

In an era of home domination of test cricket Pakistan beat us by nine wickets and India beat us by 200 runs.

India are brilliant at home, England are fair to good.

 

[The Rat]

Are you going to spend your whole life talking in hyperbole?

In an era of home domination of test cricket Pakistan beat us by nine wickets and India beat us by 200 runs.

India are brilliant at home, England are fair to good.

Are you taking the piss? Honesty?

 

[chopsfc007]

Are you taking the piss? Honesty?

He's talking bollocks when did we last lose a series at home

 

[smoker]

Are you taking the piss? Honesty?

Are you taking the piss?

"Fantastic" at home.

Our ODI side is fantastic. It's an absurd hyperbole in relation to the test team.

He's talking bollocks when did we last lose a series at home

SL 2014.

When's the last time any big team lost a home series in this era of home advantage?

We drew series against some lower ranked teams (NZ, Pak) and have been blown away by them in individual tests. That doesn't make for a "fantastic" home side.

Why do half the threads on this forum end up debating this adolescent's hyperbole? "Fantastic", "Scum", "All time great" etc.

Be easier if he just learned a few more f***ing adjectives...

 

[Temp0101]

SL 2014.

When's the last time any big team lost a home series in this era of home advantage?

We drew series against some lower ranked teams (NZ, Pak) and have been blown away by them in individual tests. That doesn't make for a "fantastic" home side.

Why do half the threads on this forum end up debating this adolescent's hyperbole? "Fantastic", "Scum", "All time great" etc.

Be easier if he just learned a few more f***ing adjectives...

NZ are higher ranked than England and we beat South Africa away in 2016

 

[Steak Pie]

When's the last time any big team lost a home series in this era of home advantage?

We won in India time before last.
The Saffers won in Australia last year, and the time before that.
And New Zealand.
We won in South Africa last time.
Australia won in South Africa tour before last.

 

[ollie c]

Are you taking the piss?

"Fantastic" at home.

Our ODI side is fantastic. It's an absurd hyperbole in relation to the test team.



SL 2014.

When's the last time any big team lost a home series in this era of home advantage?

We drew series against some lower ranked teams (NZ, Pak) and have been blown away by them in individual tests. That doesn't make for a "fantastic" home side.

Why do half the threads on this forum end up debating this adolescent's hyperbole? "Fantastic", "Scum", "All time great" etc.

Be easier if he just learned a few more f***ing adjectives...

It’s like a more hysterical version of the politics board.

 

[Salem Street South]

Are you going to spend your whole life talking in hyperbole?

In an era of home domination of test cricket Pakistan beat us by nine wickets and India beat us by 200 runs.

India are brilliant at home, England are fair to good.

West Indies beat us last summer as well.

Are you taking the piss?

"Fantastic" at home.

Our ODI side is fantastic. It's an absurd hyperbole in relation to the test team.



SL 2014.

When's the last time any big team lost a home series in this era of home advantage?

We drew series against some lower ranked teams (NZ, Pak) and have been blown away by them in individual tests. That doesn't make for a "fantastic" home side.

Why do half the threads on this forum end up debating this adolescent's hyperbole? "Fantastic", "Scum", "All time great" etc.

Be easier if he just learned a few more f***ing adjectives...

Why use more adjectives when four laughing faces will do....

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

Let's move this nonsense on.

Media saying unchanged side for Oval.

Ali at three, Root at four, Bairstow at five (with gloves), Stokes, Buttler, Curran is the batting order.

Discuss.

My two penneth is that clearly its a missed opportunity to have a look at Burns, since its seems the media circus is determined (rightly imo) he's next cab off the rank in terms of the top order.

But difficult to see how you test him, give Jennings one more chance, give Cook the send off he deserved and have a look at Ali up the order. You can only do three of those.

Jennings and Rashid very lucky.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Let's move this nonsense on.

Media saying unchanged side for Oval.

Ali at three, Root at four, Bairstow at five (with gloves), Stokes, Buttler, Curran is the batting order.

Discuss.

You shouldn’t have a specialist batsman at 7.

My opinion

 

[chopsfc007]

Let's move this nonsense on.

Media saying unchanged side for Oval.

Ali at three, Root at four, Bairstow at five (with gloves), Stokes, Buttler, Curran is the batting order.

Discuss.

My two penneth is that clearly its a missed opportunity to have a look at Burns, since its seems the media circus is determined (rightly imo) he's next cab off the rank in terms of the top order.

But difficult to see how you test him, give Jennings one more chance, give Cook the send off he deserved and have a look at Ali up the order. You can only do three of those.

Jennings and Rashid very lucky.

Jennings needs a ton this game surely