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Some rubbish written about agents

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Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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My main issue is players expecting to earn every penny of their contract. We gave Cattermole a contract, he is absolutely entitled to stay for its duration and get paid in full.

Equally, if he wants to stay but we are desperate to get rid, he's perfectly entitled to say "okay, I'll go, but I expect my contract paid up", after all he will have signed and may have made financial commitments based on receiving the full contract amount so any shortfall should be made up by us.

So in a lot of scenarios I agree with you and any agent making that point would be well within their rights to do so. Where I have an issue, however, is when a club isn't necessarily wanting to sell, it's the player wanting to leave. If Cattermole feels league one is beneath him and he wants to leave then that's up to him. He will get a contract based on whatever a club thinks he's worth now. We should have no reason to pay him the rest of his current one. Maybe this isn't the case, perhaps we are desperate to get rid, but from the one account we've heard thus far it's his side saying he doesn't want to stay but also wants every penny and that isn't right.

My concern, in any scenario, with agreeing to ensure he receives the same wage as he does now, is that it gives dodgy agents the incentive to tell his new club to pay him less; after all we'll still make up the difference and the saving can be used for a bigger agent fee.
 

Agents/pimps..all the same. Living off the talent of others (pimps not so much but it's still exploitation) whilst having none of their own. Same in the music industry..parasites and zero shits given once the well runs dry.
 
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Speedy1976 said:
Agents make most of their money by engineering transfers for their clients.

They may negotiate lengthy contracts for them but in reality they want them to move on every two years if possible.

That’s the reality.
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Correct. But that is what’s financially best for players
 
Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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Fuck Off you blood sucking parasite.
 
Cat 3 said:
None. The tend to get paid the differential
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With cases like Honeyman though this could do irreversible damage. A young lad who's been with the Academy since young, local, living the dream of many. Let's say this moaning was just to try and get a contract bump, he runs out against Charlton on August 2nd and gets booed for being a dickbag, subsequently he's off to a crappy Championship team like Ipswich or Millwall in a cheap deal, that team is subsequently relegated, the player ends up a free agent after his 3 years contract is up. He can never return to the club because we think he's a turncoat. Look at Colback, destined for Championship obscurity, he can never return to Sunderland, not as a player, not as a coach and not even as a guest of his former club when he's 60 years old.

Somethings are more valuable than an extra grand a week.
 
Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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Then surely the flip side of all that is a player signs a contract with a club and unfortunately the club gets relegated. Suck it up and crack on doing your best for the club who pays your wages. No?
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
My main issue is players expecting to earn every penny of their contract. We gave Cattermole a contract, he is absolutely entitled to stay for its duration and get paid in full.

Equally, if he wants to stay but we are desperate to get rid, he's perfectly entitled to say "okay, I'll go, but I expect my contract paid up", after all he will have signed and may have made financial commitments based on receiving the full contract amount so any shortfall should be made up by us.

So in a lot of scenarios I agree with you and any agent making that point would be well within their rights to do so. Where I have an issue, however, is when a club isn't necessarily wanting to sell, it's the player wanting to leave. If Cattermole feels league one is beneath him and he wants to leave then that's up to him. He will get a contract based on whatever a club thinks he's worth now. We should have no reason to pay him the rest of his current one. Maybe this isn't the case, perhaps we are desperate to get rid, but from the one account we've heard thus far it's his side saying he doesn't want to stay but also wants every penny and that isn't right.

My concern, in any scenario, with agreeing to ensure he receives the same wage as he does now, is that it gives dodgy agents the incentive to tell his new club to pay him less; after all we'll still make up the difference and the saving can be used for a bigger agent fee.
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The problem is football is built on sand. You cannot keep unhappy employees - football contracts are probably illegal. Clubs have huge values tied up in registrations.

It’s also mostly politics - clubs are usually happier to sell than they admit. If they do want them to stay they want them to stay for less wages than they could get elsewhere
 
Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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Agents have no interest in anything other than pushing their players to cause upset within a team structure so they either get more money from the club or get a move to another team with transfer percentages and such into their pocket.

They also provide a suitable screen for the abuse that would be directed at the player. They take that shit, but get well compensated for it. Overall, have they improved the game at all? Not a bit.
 
Cat 3 said:
I'm sorry i just dont buy into some of the vindictive rubbish written on here about agents (including our former CEO)

Agents are their to represent footballers - often young and invariably uneducated - in deals which are often multi million pound deals negotiated with multi millionaires/billionaires or by their million pound a year earning lackies.

Football is a multi billion pound business which unfortunately in recent years we have been shit at. You pay players a lot of money and sign long term contracts with them. If they turn out to be less good than expected you suck it up and pay their contract for the duration. If they turn out to be better than expected you sell them - like chattels or pieces of meat - for a fee.

Our problem is that we have not been very good at the business of football - significantly worse than we have been at the business of playing football (which we have been poor at).

Our new owners - who i have a lot of time for - are being slightly disingenuous when they hang Paddy McNair out to dry. Could we afford to keep his maybe - but the truth is it does not make business sense to have a £20k a week player in the third tier if we could sell him for £5m. The unpatetable truth is if N'dong, Khasri, Oviedo, McNair, catts etc said tomorrow we are all staying and committed to the fight we would be financially f**ked.

The personal abuse levelled at Catts and Rodwell or Bent or even at time Phillips or Hutchinson on here is pathetic. Football is a simple business you contract with a player - you are making a punt on his future performances and value. If someone else wants to pay more you match it or cash in. If no one wants to sign him and his form deteriorates you suck it up. Some clubs eg Benfica and Porto are brilliant at this - we are pathetic.

Under Poyet and at times Dick for me Catts was our best performer - hence why he got a good contract. He is entitled to see out that contract. Rodwell was on a good deal at City (he could of stayed but he wanted football) he is entitled to his contract. As for M Byrne she is entitled to earn a living and she sounds like she is better at representing players than a CEO - so what shes moved on so should we.

One final point. In a couple of years we will hopefully be a buyer of players again. These agents we are publicly abusing - the club will be schmoozing to get them to sell their players to us.
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No agenda here at all.
 
Tonton Zola Moukoko said:
Then surely the flip side of all that is a player signs a contract with a club and unfortunately the club gets relegated. Suck it up and crack on doing your best for the club who pays your wages. No?
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As I say the club would be fu**ed if ndong Khazri kone cats McNair all stayed

Bangkok Blackcat said:
Unfortunately, agents are an integral part of football now, so we have to learn to live with them.

However, one rule that needs to be imposed is all agents salaries must be paid by the players.
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Hmrc and the league tried to impose it. It’s the clubs who did not want it
 
Agents should only get a percentage of what their client earns. Should not be possoble to get money in other ways. That way their job is to oncrease their clients wages only. So they could then choose between short or long term personal gain
 
You are correct that a player is entitled to see out a lucrative long contract, but in Cattermole’s case, as with others, he doesn’t want to see out the contract. But he also wants to be paid in full despite not providing the service to us. Go by all means, but the money stays with SAFC.
 
gards2 said:
Agents/pimps..all the same. Living off the talent of others (pimps not so much but it's still exploitation) whilst having none of their own. Same in the music industry..parasites and zero shits given once the well runs dry.
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Spot on.
 
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