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dangermows said:
You know, you lot throw net spend around when people talk about how much Benitez spent, as if it makes any difference. It makes no difference how the money came about, he still spent it.
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If it makes no difference then your goal keeper situation is better than it was last year as you spent 500k on a keeper.
The fact that the 500k to buy another keeper came about by selling a top class keeper for 30 million is irrelevant then?
 
AndyH said:
If it makes no difference then your goal keeper situation is better than it was last year as you spent 500k on a keeper.
The fact that the 500k to buy another keeper came about by selling a top class keeper for 30 million is irrelevant then?
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When judging a manager and how much he's had to spend it makes no difference how the cash came about. Not sure why you continue to struggle with it tbh.

He spent 50 odd million in the Championship to get promoted. The fact you raked in cash from two big sales makes no odds. He still spent it.

The net spend argument is relevant when discussing how a club is run financially. Essentially that's judging the owner.
 
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AndyH said:
If it makes no difference then your goal keeper situation is better than it was last year as you spent 500k on a keeper.
The fact that the 500k to buy another keeper came about by selling a top class keeper for 30 million is irrelevant then?
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What you on about? Where it came from makes no difference when judging how well a manager has done. All that matters is how much he's been given and how he spent it. Nothing more.
 
dangermows said:
When judging a manager and how much he's had to spend it makes no difference how the cash came about. Not sure why you continue to struggle with it tbh.
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Off the top of my head;
If a manager must sell a star player for £35m to fund the improvement of several positions it is different than when a manager is gifted £35m to improve several positions while keeping their star player. Therefore where the money comes from does matter.
 
The Fish said:
Off the top of my head;
If a manager must sell a star player for £35m to fund the improvement of several positions it is different than when a manager is gifted £35m to improve several positions while keeping their star player. Therefore where the money comes from does matter.
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If I buy car for ten grand have I actually nicked it if the cash came from a car I sold for fifteen grand? Or have I spent ten grand?

Dress it up how ever which way you want, he had fifty odd million to spend in the Championship. He got you promoted so job done mind. But it doesn't alter the fact.

Edit: Actually Ashley got you promoted by superb dealings, getting way over the odds for two players, providing a massive wedge to Benitez both in ways and transfer kitty) and still turned a profit to benefit the club.
 
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dangermows said:
When judging a manager and how much he's had to spend it makes no difference how the cash came about. Not sure why you continue to struggle with it tbh.

He spent 50 odd million in the Championship to get promoted. The fact you raked in cash from two big sales makes no odds. He still spent it.

The net spend argument is relevant when discussing how a club is run financially. Essentially that's judging the owner.
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Of course it judges the owner.
positive net spend, well done owner for improving the team.
Zero net spend, common on owner buck your ideas up the team is standing still
Negative net spend, booo at the owner you're taking the team backwards.

Rafa was allowed to have 50 million of the 80 million raised which I think was bloody generous of Ashley.
There is a clear difference in squad quality between keeping those players sold and giving the manager an extra 50 million than selling 80 million of players and allowing the manager to reinvest 50 million of it.
net spend and gros are different things therefore it is relevant
 
dangermows said:
If I buy car for ten grand have I actually nicked it if the cash came from a car I sold for fifteen grand? Or have I spent ten grand?

Dress it up how ever which way you want, he had fifty odd million to spend in the Championship. He got you promoted so job done mind. But it doesn't alter the fact.

Edit: Actually Ashley got you promoted by superb dealings, getting way over the odds for two players, providing a massive wedge to Benitez both in ways and transfer kitty) and still turned a profit to benefit the club.
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It's pointless arguing with them when it comes to Ashley and his net spend.

They're all f***ing loons.
 
dangermows said:
If I buy car for ten grand have I actually nicked it if the cash came from a car I sold for fifteen grand? Or have I spent ten grand?

Dress it up how ever which way you want, he had fifty odd million to spend in the Championship. He got you promoted so job done mind. But it doesn't alter the fact.

Edit: Actually Ashley got you promoted by superb dealings, getting way over the odds for two players, providing a massive wedge to Benitez both in ways and transfer kitty) and still turned a profit to benefit the club.
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Is a manager to be judged solely on how much money he spent, or what he's done with the money spent? Because Mourinho has spent a f***ing fortune and won as much as Benitez has this season.

"Ashley got you promoted" :lol: You're not even trying anymore.
 
Who cares what Barton thinks? A washed up, average player who thinks if he praises the scum they will love him and get a hospitality job giving lager to fat blokes in private boxes.
A knob head.
 
denz73 said:
Who cares what Barton thinks? A washed up, average player who thinks if he praises the scum they will love him and get a hospitality job giving lager to fat blokes in private boxes.
A knob head.
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I think he's a good bloke, I've met him a couple of times, he's good crack.
 
dangermows said:
You know, you lot throw net spend around when people talk about how much Benitez spent, as if it makes any difference. It makes no difference how the money came about, he still spent it.
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If this is true why did we not improve after Grayson's Summer spending? I know it was only a few million including Agents fees, but as outgoing players apparently have no impact we should've got better yes?
To say net spend is irrelevant is seriously clutching at straws.
 
dangermows said:
You know, you lot throw net spend around when people talk about how much Benitez spent, as if it makes any difference. It makes no difference how the money came about, he still spent it.
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Fuck me - you don’t see the difference between spending £60 million of ‘Ashley’s’ money or £60 million he’d raked in from player sales. No wonder your club is fucked :lol:
 
Peter123 said:
If this is true why did we not improve after Grayson's Summer spending? I know it was only a few million including Agents fees, but as outgoing players apparently have no impact we should've got better yes?
To say net spend is irrelevant is seriously clutching at straws.
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Another missing the point.

The point is when someone says Benitez had loads to spend the mags fly back with net spend as if it somehow means he didn't have it.

king of the road said:
Fuck me - you don’t see the difference between spending £60 million of ‘Ashley’s’ money or £60 million he’d raked in from player sales. No wonder your club is fucked :lol:
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Of course I do you berk. Hence I've said it, three times now. That's all relevant when judging how the club is run.

No matter what you say though, Benitez had plenty of funds to get you promoted, regardless of how it came about. That's all I've ever argued. Whether he got fifty million from sales, Ashley or the lottery. He had it.
 
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dangermows said:
Another missing the point.

The point is when someone says Benitez had loads to spend the mags fly back with net spend as if it somehow means he didn't have it.

How about this then. He's taken a team in the relegation zone, and in two years has them sitting in the top half of the Premiership with a younger squad having turned over a profit in the transfer market.
Ask Ashley or Short if net spend has any relevance to sustainable success.
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