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[mad cyril]

Like Ashley's been very good to you.

Ashley has been very good financially but shown no ambition.

Shorts been very ambitious but financially struggled.

 

[Binxy]

Ashley has been very good financially but shown no ambition.

Shorts been very ambitious but financially struggled.

Ashley has spent £204m in the last 4 seasons = unambitious.
Short has spent £90m in the last 4 seasons = ambitious.

Ah shit forgot about net spend.

Ashley's net spend last 4 seasons = £70m
Shorts net spend last 4 seasons = £30m

 

[1892]

You don't know how f***ing good you have it.

Imagine having the delusion to post on an SAFC forum that your owner is a liar and appointed an incompetent chairman.

The lack of self awareness on your behalf is astonishing.

Delusion??? It was proved and admitted in court man

 

[prideofhylton]

Leaving the mags to join Real Sociedad at the end of the season apparently according to Marca.

not interested in the least

 

[mad cyril]

Ashley has spent £204m in the last 4 seasons = unambitious.
Short has spent £90m in the last 4 seasons = ambitious.

Ah shit forgot about net spend.

Ashley's net spend last 4 seasons = £70m
Shorts net spend last 4 seasons = £30m

Why are you looking at the last 4 seasons only ?

 

[Amaw]

Why are you looking at the last 4 seasons only ?

Because it makes his case?
The entire history of both doesn't so shall sideline that.

Would be my guess.

Both chairman have been good and bad, I do know who I would rather have if I had to choose between the two, that would be Ashley. But if I had a choice I would choose neither.

 

[Binxy]

Why are you looking at the last 4 seasons only ?

No particular reason we could look at the last 5 or 6 I'm sure the numbers would be similar.

Last 6 seasons Newcastles net is £65m and Sunderlands is £54m.

We can go back further if you want.

 

[EverBlue86]

In recent seasons he's taken a basket case of a club to win the 2nd tier and now stabilised them in the top flight. I don't think that's tailing off, I'd say that was a good performance, it's only tailing off if you don't look at it with any real scrutiny.

Mourinho and Wenger have both complained about not being able to compete. The budget isn't the be all and end all of job satisfaction. He's happy because we're pulling in the right direction and, as I've said, the rumours of a takeover are persisting.

You've no idea if there has been any concrete interest from other clubs. Neither do I. The only people who would know are Rafa Benitez and the interested parties. And there is a whole host of reasons why he's staying at Newcastle, reasons that could be strong enough to make other clubs' interest irrelevant, or not good enough. I've heard nothing about clubs having concrete interest in Guardiola, he must be shite then...

I whole heartedly agree, but I don't see proof that Benitez' ability is on the wane. Newcastle can't compete for honours at the moment, but to do what he's done with what he's got is evidence that he remains a very good coach.

The thing is managers like Mourinho and Wenger say these things as deflection tactics - Jose has spent £180 million on 2 players in 2 seasons. If he was working under Ashley do you seriously believe a. He wouldn't have fucked off by now or b. Any club in Europe wouldnt have made an offical approach for him?

I just dont think he's as good as what he once was and I dont mean this in the disrespectful way but he's at a club who've been relegated and back in the league with an owner with no interest in spending money - any top manager would be off in the knowledge they'll be in a better job a month after whereas Benitez seems reluctant to move despite moaning about money and making thin veiled threats about leaving - that to me suggests he's not got any concrete offers from higher calibre clubs.

He's done alright but you've just won 2 on the bounce - if you lose your next 2 you could be back in 14/15th abd everyone hates Ashley again saying Newcastle are going nowhere - fans are very fickle.

Chris Hughton has done equally as good a job this season as has Wagner and both you would say started the season in weaker positions than yourselves so again until the end of the season I couldnt pat Rafa on the back as you could finish 10th you could equally finish 15th.

A world of difference between trying to tempt a manager from Man City than from Newcastle mate.

I'll leave it at that, good luck for the rest of the season bar your trip to Goodison!

 

[Binxy]

Because it makes his case?
The entire history of both doesn't so shall sideline that.

Would be my guess.

Both chairman have been good and bad, I do know who I would rather have if I had to choose between the two, that would be Ashley. But if I had a choice I would choose neither.

One of your lot said Ashley has no ambition but Short does.

We can go back and look at both owners tenures and the numbrs would be similar.

The case I'm trying to make is that Ashley has been ambitious.

 

[Amaw]

One of your lot said Ashley has no ambition but Short does.

We can go back and look at both owners tenures and the numbrs would be similar.

The case I'm trying to make is that Ashley has been ambitious.

There is definitely occasions where he has, both seasons after relegation for example. However there is more prudent seasons than there are "ambitious" seasons.
I am personally not an Ashley hater, I can see what he has done here but I am tired of him, we need someone new, with an ambition to atleast try and get us into top 6 (I am not saying we bolong there or can get there, simply it would be nice to have that as a goal)
Its all very well spending money but if you sell your "top players" to fund that spending you tend to stand still or worse, move backwards.

Still its been this way since the creation, nothings changed, jyst the scale.

 

[Binxy]

There is definitely occasions where he has, both seasons after relegation for example. However there is more prudent seasons than there are "ambitious" seasons.
I am personally not an Ashley hater, I can see what he has done here but I am tired of him, we need someone new, with an ambition to atleast try and get us into top 6 (I am not saying we bolong there or can get there, simply it would be nice to have that as a goal)
Its all very well spending money but if you sell your "top players" to fund that spending you tend to stand still or worse, move backwards.

Still its been this way since the creation, nothings changed, jyst the scale.

Just be careful what you wish for you could get a lot worse than Ashley.

At least with Ashley he has you on a sound financial footing.

 

[mad cyril]

No particular reason we could look at the last 5 or 6 I'm sure the numbers would be similar.

Last 6 seasons Newcastles net is £65m and Sunderlands is £54m.

We can go back further if you want.

It’s more relevant to start from the beginning of their respective tenures. Short from day one showed great ambition spending big each season. You were all doing cartwheels at the time.
Ashley despite an initial flurry give up spending soon after. 2009/10 has a gross spend of 750k whilst 11/12 he didn’t spend a penny. Short, the bastard that he is did 48 million over the same two seasons.

First 5 seasons under each watch

Short 113 million gross.
Ashley 59 million gross.

You’ve never had it so good Under Ellis.

 

[Amaw]

Just be careful what you wish for you could get a lot worse than Ashley.

At least with Ashley he has you on a sound financial footing.

It's a risk, I am prepared to take, you can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket.

 

[The Fish]

Apart from when it's Newcastle though.

Ashley hired a well respected experienced manager in Steve McClaren, gave him £80m to spend then replaced him with a world class manager when it wasn't working and guess what you still went down.

He then gave your world class manager £55m to help get you promoted at the first attempt then gave him £35m to aid your chances of staying up yet you all hate him and you reckon you're a basket case of a club.

The truth is Ashley is a decent owner and Rafa has done what was expected of him. Ashley isn't the devil, Rafa isn't a messiah and your club isn't a basket case.


Like Ashley's been very good to you.

What are you talking about? Ashley's incompetence lead inexorably to our relegation as Short's incompetence lead to yours.

You're wilfully ignoring his many, many faults and mistakes to try and paint him as a good owner. It's patently ridiculous.

 

[Binxy]

It’s more relevant to start from the beginning of their respective tenures. Short from day one showed great ambition spending big each season. You were all doing cartwheels at the time.
Ashley despite an initial flurry give up spending soon after. 2009/10 has a gross spend of 750k whilst 11/12 he didn’t spend a penny. Short, the bastard that he is did 48 million over the same two seasons.

First 5 seasons under each watch

Short 113 million gross.
Ashley 59 million gross.

You’ve never had it so good Under Ellis.

So the 5 seasons you mentioned and the 4 I did =Ashley £263m and Short £203m.

Yet you claim Short is ambitious and Ashley isn't.

 

[offmenut]

There's jumble in your thinking. You're saying if one of the top European clubs wanted him, or Everton, or Leicester (?), he'd go, but if he's as average as you make out, why would anyone else want him? If one of the most trophied managers around (who's won things in various countries at various levels with various budgets and various calibre of players) is so mediocre, why would any club be after him at all?

He didn't join a Championship club, he joined a Premier League club and couldn't keep them up. He managed us in the 2nd tier because he was confident he could bring us back up at the first time of asking. He's stayed at a club where the owner is a prick because he sees that despite that, he can achieve his aims.

We're not kidding ourselves, if a bigger/better club comes in for him, he could go. But given he wants to stay in England, and he wouldn't manage Man Utd, Everton, and wouldn't go back to Chelsea. Also Man City, Liverpool and Spurs aren't looking to change their managers any time soon. Who does that leave? Arsenal, but would they want Benitez? his stock took a hit after Inter and Real Madrid. But it's a remote possibility. So who else? Why would he swap his ongoing, rewarding project at Newcastle for upheaval and uncertainty for some other midtable Premier League club? Especially as the rumours of a takeover won't go away.

Is it any shock that he's not rated by the fans of clubs who're rivals of clubs he's warmly regarded by? Everton and Sunderland fans insisting Benitez isn't as good as he's made out, because he's done well/is doing well at their rivals... I'm shocked.

I never really liked or rated Benitez , but he went up loads in my estimations when he stayed at you in the championship, and he’s done a very good job this season.
You’re lucky to have him - he’s certainly raised the profile of Newcastle

 

[Binxy]

What are you talking about? Ashley's incompetence lead inexorably to our relegation as Short's incompetence lead to yours.

You're wilfully ignoring his many, many faults and mistakes to try and paint him as a good owner. It's patently ridiculous.

Ashley gave your manager £80m then gave you a world class manager.
Surely the two managers were incompetent (mainly McLaren) not Ashley.

 

[mag in peace]

The thing is managers like Mourinho and Wenger say these things as deflection tactics - Jose has spent £180 million on 2 players in 2 seasons. If he was working under Ashley do you seriously believe a. He wouldn't have fucked off by now or b. Any club in Europe wouldnt have made an offical approach for him?

I just dont think he's as good as what he once was and I dont mean this in the disrespectful way but he's at a club who've been relegated and back in the league with an owner with no interest in spending money - any top manager would be off in the knowledge they'll be in a better job a month after whereas Benitez seems reluctant to move despite moaning about money and making thin veiled threats about leaving - that to me suggests he's not got any concrete offers from higher calibre clubs.

He's done alright but you've just won 2 on the bounce - if you lose your next 2 you could be back in 14/15th abd everyone hates Ashley again saying Newcastle are going nowhere - fans are very fickle.

Chris Hughton has done equally as good a job this season as has Wagner and both you would say started the season in weaker positions than yourselves so again until the end of the season I couldnt pat Rafa on the back as you could finish 10th you could equally finish 15th.

A world of difference between trying to tempt a manager from Man City than from Newcastle mate.

I'll leave it at that, good luck for the rest of the season bar your trip to Goodison!

4 on the bounce.

Correction 3.

 

[mad cyril]

So the 5 seasons you mentioned and the 4 I did =Ashley £263m and Short £203m.

Yet you claim Short is ambitious and Ashley isn't.

Short has been ambitious though. He was very rightly highly praised for his ambition. It’s turned out costly but he give it a good go. He was 45 minutes away from silverware.
There hasn’t been ambition at all though from Ashley is my point.

 

[Binxy]

Short has been ambitious though. He was very rightly highly praised for his ambition. It’s turned out costly but he give it a good go. He was 45 minutes away from silverware.
There hasn’t been ambition at all though from Ashley is my point.

You say Ashley hasn't been ambitious yet he's spent more on transfers and I'd hazard a guess and say wages as well than Short.

Sorry but I don't agree with the point you are trying to make.