NZ v England tests

[chunkyshanhawk53]

so they picked a squad of 16, with Stokes, Wood and Livingstone included

Cook
Stoneman
Root (must now bat 3)
Malan
Livingstone
Stokes
Bairstow
Modern
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

Overton misses out but will come back
Foakes potentially worth a chance with JB moving up
Crane was a disaster in the West Indies, feel for Leach
Wood needs to get fit for a decent amount of time
Vince can fuck off

Livingstone almost plays by default

 

[Bri]

So, they still have faith in Wood and his injury.

 

[Liverpool Beachball]

so they picked a squad of 16, with Stokes, Wood and Livingstone included

Cook
Stoneman
Root (must now bat 3)
Malan
Livingstone
Stokes
Bairstow
Modern
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

Overton misses out but will come back
Foakes potentially worth a chance with JB moving up
Crane was a disaster in the West Indies, feel for Leach
Wood needs to get fit for a decent amount of time
Vince can fuck off

Livingstone almost plays by default

That would be my team although I’ve seen suggestions Malan may go to 3 so Root doesn’t have to

 

[Dexter]

Criminal batting YJB that low. He should be a guarantee in the top five.

 

[TheRey]

Possibly swap Bairstow and Stokes around, but that's pretty much what I'd plump for. Don't expect us to swap Root up to 3, mind. Think he's made it clear he's not moving, end of story - despite it being the best thing for the team.

Should be a good couple of games IMO. Reckon we'll win the Series 1-0.

 

[Bri]

Usual warning ....... performance in one-day cricket does not translate to similar performances in Test cricket ...

If you want to bump bairstow up, ok, but it seems to me he has a game for where he bats a the moment.

So who would you demote down the list.
Not Stokes, he's in the right spot for him, and the team.
Malan? Tough for someone who's been doing well. But a possibility. But would batting at 7 be right for him and would that be an overall benefit to the team?
Livingstone? Yea, possibly. He's new and so doesn't have a settled position and batting lower down could help him in making the step up.

 

[Deleted member 21908]

Won’t happen but I would give Foakes the gloves and play Bairstow as a specialist batsmen at number 5

Cook
Stoneman
Malan
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Broad
Crane
Anderson

 

[Steak Pie]

so they picked a squad of 16, with Stokes, Wood and Livingstone included

Cook
Stoneman
Root (must now bat 3)
Malan
Livingstone
Stokes
Bairstow
Modern
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

Overton misses out but will come back
Foakes potentially worth a chance with JB moving up
Crane was a disaster in the West Indies, feel for Leach
Wood needs to get fit for a decent amount of time
Vince can fuck off

Livingstone almost plays by default

Liam wants to bat a three, and bats at three for Lancs, I hope they slot him straight in at three.

Cook
Stoneman
Livingstone
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Broad
Crane
Anderson

But they'll play Ali instead of Crane.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Liam wants to bat a three, and bats at three for Lancs, I hope they slot him straight in at three.

Cook
Stoneman
Livingstone
Root
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Broad
Crane
Anderson

But they'll play Ali instead of Crane.

New batsman to test level should not be thrown in at the deep end,Livingstone should bat 5 or 6.

Root is one of the best batsman in the world, surely it's now time for him to take some more responsibility and bat in our problem postition which is 3 and has been for quite a while now.

Possibly swap Bairstow and Stokes around, but that's pretty much what I'd plump for. Don't expect us to swap Root up to 3, mind. Think he's made it clear he's not moving, end of story - despite it being the best thing for the team.

Should be a good couple of games IMO. Reckon we'll win the Series 1-0.

I must be old fashioned, but honestly I find it incredible any batsman of any sort refuses to bat where he is told too.

And furthermore if true which seems to be,that he is allowed to get away with it!!

 

[Steak Pie]

New batsman to test level should not be thrown in at the deep end,Livingstone should bat 5 or 6.

Root is one of the best batsman in the world, surely it's now time for him to take some more responsibility and bat in our problem postition which is 3 and has been for quite a while now.

If you like, it's not a massive point to argue over. And fine and dandy but it doesn't really stack up when you talk about openers, for instance. I'm more an advocate of putting players where they are most comfortable and with Liam, that's at three.

Same with Root, he's got quite a bit on his plate and is most comfortable at four. I'll refer you to the list I did last time we had this discussion, and the all-time great modern players who didn't bat at three.

 

[Voice of fair play]

If you like, it's not a massive point to argue over. And fine and dandy but it doesn't really stack up when you talk about openers, for instance. I'm more an advocate of putting players where they are most comfortable and with Liam, that's at three.

Same with Root, he's got quite a bit on his plate and is most comfortable at four. I'll refer you to the list I did last time we had this discussion, and the all-time great modern players who didn't bat at three.

Yeah I take your point to a certain extent,but other good modern players say Kohli for example have settled quality players like Pujara at 3, my main point is that particular position has been a big problem for a few years now, and you have got one of the best batsman in the world refusing to do bat there.

That does not sit right with me as am a big believer in big players taking responsibility and doing what is best for the team.

 

[WCC]

Santner ruled out for upto 9 months.

 

[stephen cartwright]

Santner ruled out for upto 9 months.

Sad for him but good news for England. Nowt worse than a number seven like him, doubling up the score after five wickets down.

My old adage, England have to win the last five wickets totals and this series will be won.

 

[Ageing trundler]

OK, Root has been, for his excellent standards, comparatively poor recently and England are more desperate for a number 3 than for as long as I can remember. Maybe it would solve both problems by batting him there. Malan was excellent at 5 in the Ashes, keep him there. Who bats at 4? Not bloody Vince, looks like it's Livingstone's big chance in the absence of Hales. No Crane please, Leach's non-selection continues to baffle.

 

[Steak Pie]

Yeah I take your point to a certain extent,but other good modern players say Kohli for example have settled quality players like Pujara at 3, my main point is that particular position has been a big problem for a few years now, and you have got one of the best batsman in the world refusing to do bat there.

That does not sit right with me as am a big believer in big players taking responsibility and doing what is best for the team.

Has Joe Root ever refused to bat at 3? What's your source for this? He came in at 3 throughout the home series' in 2016. Is it not just the fact that his numbers coming in at 4 + 5 are miles better that at 3? And is that not the main case for leaving him where he is? You know, doing the best for the team.

And it's not just 3 that has been a problem, it's been 2, 3 and 5. If you move Root then the problem just becomes 2, 4 and 5. So what's the point of upsetting the skipper and best bat?

 

[WCC]

OK, Root has been, for his excellent standards, comparatively poor recently and England are more desperate for a number 3 than for as long as I can remember. Maybe it would solve both problems by batting him there. Malan was excellent at 5 in the Ashes, keep him there. Who bats at 4? Not bloody Vince, looks like it's Livingstone's big chance in the absence of Hales. No Crane please, Leach's non-selection continues to baffle.

Livingstone bats 3 for Lancs so can see him going straight into number 3. Agree not sure why they keep over looking Leach.

 

[brandon]

Santner ruled out for upto 9 months.

f***ing hell , what with? Wasn't he meant to be coming to county cricket this year too?

Has Joe Root ever refused to bat at 3? What's your source for this? He came in at 3 throughout the home series' in 2016. Is it not just the fact that his numbers coming in at 4 + 5 are miles better that at 3? And is that not the main case for leaving him where he is? You know, doing the best for the team.

And it's not just 3 that has been a problem, it's been 2, 3 and 5. If you move Root then the problem just becomes 2, 4 and 5. So what's the point of upsetting the skipper and best bat?

I think one or two people close to the team have stated Root prefers not to bat 3, whether he's actually refused upon request is up for debate and probably not something anyone on here can say with any certainty.

 

[WCC]

f***ing hell , what with? Wasn't he meant to be coming to county cricket this year too?

Sounds like he has played through a knee injury and its got worse and now needs surgery. Aye he will miss IPL and his county deal with Derbyshire.

 

[Johnap]

Are there no public schoolboys who we can play? Good chaps from good stock and all related of course.

 

[TopCat]

As Captain, Root should be able to choose where he bats. Captaining a Test team is mentally draining, he should be allowed the break after fielding to not then have the pivotal position of no.3 (especially as it's means he'd be in within the first 5 overs given our recent record). Ponting is the only Captain I can think of who batted at 3 in recent times, but he had McGrath and Warne to skittle the opposition in 50 overs, not to mention Langer and Hayden to put on 200 for the first wicket.