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gillythedilf said:
Nonsense


I totally agree to a certain extent .However to describe someone by their skin colour shouldn’t be something to skirt round when it’s their obvious feature .To mock them for it and use it as a tool to belittle them in anyway is a low thing to do .
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That's my point though. Why use the colour of their skin to describe them in the 1st place though? Like in my previous post, we don't go around saying, milky Mick or pale Pete? Why darky Dave or black Ben?
 
cluffy said:
Nailed on you've got a huge Jim Davidson DVD collection
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Why?

Cockney Mackem said:
My wife (no) is ethnically Indian and frequently refers to herself as the p*ki. With one of her best friends who actually is of Pakistani descent, part of their epic bantz is to trade Hindu nationalist Vs Muslim radical related ethnic slurs.

I can't say any of that shit.

Somehow we all get by.
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I'm sure you do. You don't strike me as the type that would go out to intentionally offend. I'm sure if you did say something to her or one of her friends which they may not particularly like you would be able to discuss it like a grown up without people assuming you are a racist.
 
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Tex said:
It’s really not that hard.
Here’s an analogy for you. You’re in the pub with your mates and someone tells a story about how he did something stupid. You say ‘what we’re you thinking man you daft c**t?’ No harm no foul right?

Now you go home and your Mam tells you she locked herself out the car. Do you say ‘what we’re you thinking man you daft c**t?’? I would expect not but I don’t know the dynamic between you and your Mam (assuming she’s still aliven and you have a reasonably convivial relationship - work with me here!)

Say you’re single and you’re in a bar trying to pull a stunning bewer who is clearly from the right side of the tracks. Do you slip a ‘c**t’ into the conversation to see how she’ll react, or do you play it safe and mind your Ps and Qs, as you don’t want to do anything to disrupt the possibility of you pulling a snog by the end of the night?

You’re at work and your supervisor is showing round a group of executives. Do you act polite to give the impression that you and your crew are all professional and efficient and doing a great job or do you ask your supervisor ‘wheez this bunch of c**ts you’re bringing round graft?’?

You’re interviewing for a new job with a female boss. She asks you why you left your last job. Do you say ‘cos my last boss was a conniving c**t’?

Context is everything. Anyone who doesn’t know basic decorum such as how to behave in the above scenarios is taking up too much space on this planet. Anyone who complains ‘it’s too hard trying to keep up with what we’re supposed to call non white people’ is too thick to deserve any more oxygen. It’s not that hard.
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Thanks for taking the trouble to provide a comprehensive answer to a question I didn't ask. You've missed my point which I obviously didn't make fully enough. I'm sure the white lad in my example would cause no offence to his black mates by using their own vernacular to banter with them. The question is would an onlooking outsider to their group think the white lad was being offensively racist?
 
Sir Talbot Buxomley said:
My old dad used that term as did a lot of others around where I grew up......but not for any one of a different colour skin......around where we lived it was used as a term for idiots / people who couldn't do their jobs etc......" what a right N*g N*g he is " etc.
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I remember it being used in this way possibly in Farringdon by my granda in the 70s and 80s
 
Scimmy said:
Thanks for taking the trouble to provide a comprehensive answer to a question I didn't ask. You've missed my point which I obviously didn't make fully enough. I'm sure the white lad in my example would cause no offence to his black mates by using their own vernacular to banter with them. The question is would an onlooking outsider to their group think the white lad was being offensively racist?
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Who cares? Seeing as they don’t know the social dynamic between the White lad and his Black mates, it’s really none of their business.
 
Tex said:
Who cares? Seeing as they don’t know the social dynamic between the White lad and his Black mates, it’s really none of their business.
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Aye but those kind of people try to make it their business. Some people just long to shout "racist"!
 
Was it the same John that was on about female pundits not being very good last week? When Steph (I think that's her name) asked him, "what do you think about me"? John replied "I don't know, this is the first time I've heard you love" (cue muted laughing in the studio) cos it was clear he was using the term "love" in an affectionate rather than sexist manner. Further to that, at the end of his exchange with Steph he even said "the next time I see you I'll give you a kiss" and to be fair, she took it in the manner it was intended because it was clear to everyone that this was an old fella that society had verbally outgrown. That said, he should have known better with his latest conversation.
 
You don’t describe someone with red hair as the person with coloured hair do you
 
Could have predicted so many of the strands here :lol:

- "do we say black or coloured they keep changing it" check
- "I had a black mate who'd use it so why can't we?" check
- "its PC gone mad" - check
- "why can't I say racist words without people calling me a racist ffs?" - check
 
ProfessionalMackem said:
That's my point though. Why use the colour of their skin to describe them in the 1st place though? Like in my previous post, we don't go around saying, milky Mick or pale Pete? Why darky Dave or black Ben?
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Or ginger Dave, baldy John?

cluffy said:
Could have predicted so many of the strands here :lol:

- "do we say black or coloured they keep changing it" check
- "I had a black mate who'd use it so why can't we?" check
- "its PC gone mad" - check
- "why can't I say racist words without people calling me a racist ffs?" - check
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Made your day has it?
 
ProfessionalMackem said:
That's my point though. Why use the colour of their skin to describe them in the 1st place though? Like in my previous post, we don't go around saying, milky Mick or pale Pete? Why darky Dave or black Ben?
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Surely that's racist.

But say you had a scenario where you witnessed a murder and there were 6 guys there, 5 of them white and one of African descent. These people are not in a lineup with marked numbers, just sat around a table. The police man turns to you and whispers "which one of them was it?" To whisper back "the black guy" (if he was the murderer of course) I don't feel would be racist as it's a distinguishing feature but doesn't attach a positive or negative connotation. Same if it was the other way around, 5 dark skinned people and a white guy. If the white guy did it, then most would probably say "the white guy" as the skin colour stands out.

However if you've got a corner shop and only one person works there who is dark skinned and his name is Dave, I see no need ever that he needs to be described as "Black Dave from the shop."
 
Horatio Pugwash said:
I'm sure you do. You don't strike me as the type that would go out to intentionally offend. I'm sure if you did say something to her or one of her friends which they may not particularly like you would be able to discuss it like a grown up without people assuming you are a racist.
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I agree, they won't. Ethnic minorities and gay people etc in my experience don't get offended over nothing and don't overreact to an innocent verbal slip. When they do get pissed off it's for a good reason
 
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