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How long can Rafa last?

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WildTurkey said:
So what about players like cabeye, Cisse, sissoko, debuchy, santon, Anita that managers were ‘lumbered with’?

It’s quite simple that if Ashley hadn’t have bought the club and the previous regime spent like they did, we would be lucky to still exist

I’m not against Ashley selling, but for everyone to let Benitez and the players off the hook so easily, just because the manager continuously makes public excuses, is bollocks

Rafa should stop hiding behind an easy target and do the job he gets paid for

Those players previous managers were lumbered with because of a transfer policy.......well Rafa is now stuck with the players we changed that model for, and let our manager spend £80m in the championship. In the CHAMPIONSHIP. How can people claim he doesn’t invest???

A regular investment is paying the managers wages every week. Wages to do a job and to ‘manage’ what he’s got. And if he’s got a problem with the squad he should keep that private rather than try to get his excuses out to the press. The players take ZERO responsibility as they know whatever happens they won’t be held accountable for our impending relegation, as most will hold Ashley 100% responsible
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Bear said:
Gan and nick a flag you scruffy tramp

Also @The Fish again Modric, or Aubameyang, or Gameiro :oops::lol:

Dortmund, Spurs or Newcastle.... Hmmmm

Face it lad it’s not the glory days of winning nowt in the 90s anymore
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Do you understand how time works Bear? Because it appears you don't...

WildTurkey said:
So what about players like cabeye, Cisse, sissoko, debuchy, santon, Anita that managers were ‘lumbered with’?

It’s quite simple that if Ashley hadn’t have bought the club and the previous regime spent like they did, we would be lucky to still exist

I’m not against Ashley selling, but for everyone to let Benitez and the players off the hook so easily, just because the manager continuously makes public excuses, is bollocks

Rafa should stop hiding behind an easy target and do the job he gets paid for

Those players previous managers were lumbered with because of a transfer policy.......well Rafa is now stuck with the players we changed that model for, and let our manager spend £80m in the championship. In the CHAMPIONSHIP. How can people claim he doesn’t invest???

A regular investment is paying the managers wages every week. Wages to do a job and to ‘manage’ what he’s got. And if he’s got a problem with the squad he should keep that private rather than try to get his excuses out to the press. The players take ZERO responsibility as they know whatever happens they won’t be held accountable for our impending relegation, as most will hold Ashley 100% responsible
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Cabaye was bought to sell, as was Sissoko, Debuchy, Santon, Anita and arguably Cisse. Players bought from a cheaper market where the intent was clearly to sell them on for the biggest profit possible. regardless of the needs of the team.

I'm not letting Benitez off the hook, he's made mistakes in the market and on the field. However, Benitez was told he could spend everything he made. Well he hasn't been allowed to do that, in fact he's only spent 2/3rds of that at the absolute most. c£30m from last summers business, the first tranche of Premier League money, plus the c£17.5m he raised from selling the likes of Daryl Murphy and Grant Hanley. Conservatively that's £60m, and Benitez spent some way short of that.

Benitez didn't spend £80m in the Championship, he spent c£57m so I don't know where the extra £23m has come from? I mean it's a nice round number now, but it's no more accurate than saying he spent only spent £34m.

You're right, nobody is criticising Joselu, or Manquillo, or Ritchie and so on, they're getting away scot free :lol: Haddaway and shite.
 
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The Fish said:
Ashley and his cronies came up with and stuck to the transfer policy. And while Ashley wasn't scouting the players, he absolutely was directing the purchases and sales. Hence not spending a little bit more to get Modric, or Aubameyang, or Gameiro, and stockpiling cheap attacking midfielders because that's where the margins are biggest. Carr returned with lists of players, and inevitably the manager of the time was lumbered with whomever was cheapest. Like Riviere and not Lacazette.

If you can't see that, it's pointless chatting.

btw, I'm expecting hoots of derision because of the names I've mentioned, but as always these players were on our RADAR before they were famous but Ashley either pulled out of the deal, or never pursued it because of the price.



This is the problem though, most clubs buy players to improve their lot on the pitch, but should some bigger club come sniffing around, they accept they have to sell.

Ashley's strategy was to buy players <26yrs old, from cheaper markets, in the hope that bigger clubs would come sniffing around. Regardless of the needs on the pitch. It's really that simple.


You asked when Ashley had sold a player and not replaced him?
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You lot will just not accept the fact that you're not an elite club. That's the crux of the problem; not Ashley. :lol:
 
The Fish said:
Do you understand how time works Bear? Because it appears you don't...



Cabaye was bought to sell, as was Sissoko, Debuchy, Santon, Anita and arguably Cisse. Players bought from a cheaper market where the intent was clearly to sell them on for the biggest profit possible. regardless of the needs of the team.

I'm not letting Benitez off the hook, he's made mistakes in the market and on the field. However, Benitez was told he could spend everything he made. Well he hasn't been allowed to do that, in fact he's only spent 2/3rds of that at the absolute most. c£30m from last summers business, the first tranche of Premier League money, plus the c£17.5m he raised from selling the likes of Daryl Murphy and Grant Hanley. Conservatively that's £60m, and Benitez spent some way short of that.

Benitez didn't spend £80m in the Championship, he spent c£57m so I don't know where the extra £23m has come from? I mean it's a nice round number now, but it's no more accurate than saying he spent only spent £34m.

You're right, nobody is criticising Joselu, or Manquillo, or Ritchie and so on, they're getting away scot free :lol: Haddaway and shite.
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People may slag these off immediately after a game, but when we get relegated we both know where the blame will lie with the majority of the fans

If he continues to play Joselu every week until we go down I’m pretty certain Ashley has no influence over that. Therefore will be the managers fault

The one reason he plays him?? Out and out stubbornness (coupled with the aforementioned He is exempt from blame)
 
The Fish said:
Do you understand how time works Bear? Because it appears you don't...



Cabaye was bought to sell, as was Sissoko, Debuchy, Santon, Anita and arguably Cisse. Players bought from a cheaper market where the intent was clearly to sell them on for the biggest profit possible. regardless of the needs of the team.

I'm not letting Benitez off the hook, he's made mistakes in the market and on the field. However, Benitez was told he could spend everything he made. Well he hasn't been allowed to do that, in fact he's only spent 2/3rds of that at the absolute most. c£30m from last summers business, the first tranche of Premier League money, plus the c£17.5m he raised from selling the likes of Daryl Murphy and Grant Hanley. Conservatively that's £60m, and Benitez spent some way short of that.

Benitez didn't spend £80m in the Championship, he spent c£57m so I don't know where the extra £23m has come from? I mean it's a nice round number now, but it's no more accurate than saying he spent only spent £34m.

You're right, nobody is criticising Joselu, or Manquillo, or Ritchie and so on, they're getting away scot free :lol: Haddaway and shite.
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what the fuck does that even mean? are you telling me that a player that is worth say £1million, once signed by newcastle, is then instantly worth £10million and that is/was ashleys business model? what a load of shite.

your scouts/ex managers unearthed a couple of decent players and brought them to the premier league where they played well, proved themselves very capable and went on to bigger and better things. its nothing new. what about all those flops that ashley has signed (who's numbers far outweigh the profit makers)... where they not signed as part of this business masterclass by Mr Ashley?

you are gutted that good players wanted to leave for the likes of spurs, liverpool etc.. as it was another confirmation that they are way way bigger than Newcastle. get over it. ashley saved the club. he deserves commending
 
The Fish said:
Do you understand how time works Bear? Because it appears you don't...



Cabaye was bought to sell, as was Sissoko, Debuchy, Santon, Anita and arguably Cisse. Players bought from a cheaper market where the intent was clearly to sell them on for the biggest profit possible. regardless of the needs of the team.

I'm not letting Benitez off the hook, he's made mistakes in the market and on the field. However, Benitez was told he could spend everything he made. Well he hasn't been allowed to do that, in fact he's only spent 2/3rds of that at the absolute most. c£30m from last summers business, the first tranche of Premier League money, plus the c£17.5m he raised from selling the likes of Daryl Murphy and Grant Hanley. Conservatively that's £60m, and Benitez spent some way short of that.

Benitez didn't spend £80m in the Championship, he spent c£57m so I don't know where the extra £23m has come from? I mean it's a nice round number now, but it's no more accurate than saying he spent only spent £34m.

You're right, nobody is criticising Joselu, or Manquillo, or Ritchie and so on, they're getting away scot free :lol: Haddaway and shite.
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Calm down Fishy
 
tunstallhill said:
what the fuck does that even mean? are you telling me that a player that is worth say £1million, once signed by newcastle, is then instantly worth £10million and that is/was ashleys business model? what a load of shite.

your scouts/ex managers unearthed a couple of decent players and brought them to the premier league where they played well, proved themselves very capable and went on to bigger and better things. its nothing new. what about all those flops that ashley has signed (who's numbers far outweigh the profit makers)... where they not signed as part of this business masterclass by Mr Ashley?

you are gutted that good players wanted to leave for the likes of spurs, liverpool etc.. as it was another confirmation that they are way way bigger than Newcastle. get over it. ashley saved the club. he deserves commending
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It tends to be the business model most lower Premier League clubs use (well except us :)). Buy players and sell them for a profit I’m not sure why the Mags think the way they’ve conducted business is any different.
When Rafa sold the players worth something he replaced them with players unlikely to make a profit, but that got them out of the championship. Therin lies his problem, he can spend what he generates.
He’s generated nothing since the summer of 2016
 
janey said:
It tends to be the business model most lower Premier League clubs use (well except us :)). Buy players and sell them for a profit I’m not sure why the Mags think the way they’ve conducted business is any different.
When Rafa sold the players worth something he replaced them with players unlikely to make a profit, but that got them out of the championship. Therin lies his problem, he can spend what he generates.
He’s generated nothing since the summer of 2016
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its not exclusive to lower league premier league teams and its not exclusive to football clubs as businesses. if any man, or woman, or company, could buy something today and sell it next year for double or triple the price, and the profit was millions of pounds, we would all be at it. they make it sound like he has pre-planned it. if that is so, then why havent all the players bought in the last 18 months not been sold on for massive profits? he musnt be interested in that model at the minute. until rafa or the scouts unearth another gem, sign him for a few million, and sell him on for 30 million, at which point Ashley will be a bastard again. and all the knackers that rafa and that sign between now and then? ashley is a bastard for forcing them to sign those ones too
 
Gobuchul said:
What is wrong with you lot?

15 out of 63 pts in the Championship, you probably need an average of about 1.5 pts per game to avoid the drop, and almost a quarter of the threads on the 1st page are about NUFC.

Really?

You a well run and very popular forum, way better than most small clubs can manage but you spend as much time talking about Newcastle as you do about what a wanker Cattermole is! :):):):):)

I am embarrassed for you.
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Dont be, worry about yourself.
We're fine ta

wingding said:
Mag or not, the OP is spot on. I'm fed up with obsessed mag threads on here. I don't come on here for scum news.
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Plenty other topics ffs.
Don't read mag posts then.
 
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janey said:
It tends to be the business model most lower Premier League clubs use (well except us :)). Buy players and sell them for a profit I’m not sure why the Mags think the way they’ve conducted business is any different.
When Rafa sold the players worth something he replaced them with players unlikely to make a profit, but that got them out of the championship. Therin lies his problem, he can spend what he generates.
He’s generated nothing since the summer of 2016
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And the money generated in 2016 had bot all to do with Benitez
 
So to summarise if they’re relegated it’s Ashley’s fault according to @The Fish

This despite saying in the summer their squad of championship players were more than good enough to hold their own “Gayle will score 15 goals” Shelvey “Blah blah blah” I’m sure I read
 
keybuk said:
Look, I know this is difficult for you, but we are discussing Rafa here. So the relevant period is from when he took over to now. In that period he's brought in more than he's spent. We had a fire sale of decent players (some with dubious attitudes) and replaced the gaps this created in the squad with lesser players. Most of your mates could see that while these got us out of the championship with relative ease they were going to be obviously found wanting in the top flight. None of the resident mags on here disagreed with that.

It's quite clear that Ashley has been angling to sell the club. He's holding on to that cash as he knows the price he's going to get is not going to change whether he strengthens or not, so why bother spending his own money.

This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp. I realise that some on here are on a wind up, but the vast majority aren't and are making right dicks of themselves in the process.
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Look man, the fact is he has spent a shed load of money irrespective of how much he's brought in.
He failed to keep you up with 10 games to go despite only being 1/2 points from safety with game in hand. That was a massive fail.
He wheeled and dealed and despite a few hiccups along the way - esp at home, got you promotion. Job done, but not impressively like Reidys Safc or Keegans Fulham.
This season, 4 wins against shite has kept u out of the rz, but as you continue to falter, the likes of Palace and WHU are fighting back.
Tomorrow is vital. Lose to Everton and you will be bottom by end of year.
 
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