Islam Homework project at Sunderland School

[Herberthall]

if someone is baptised as a christian then in the eyes of the lord they are a christian.

Are baptisms rising or falling this day and age?

 

[kossoff]

I was only baptised do that I could go to the better schools in the area. I went to Roman Catholic schools but I don't believe we were taught anything about any other religions at all. Although that could just be my memory of something I don't care for.

 

[Some Random Guy]

Are baptisms rising or falling this day and age?

Depends on the catchment area

I was only baptised do that I could go to the better schools in the area. I went to Roman Catholic schools but I don't believe we were taught anything about any other religions at all. Although that could just be my memory of something I don't care for.

We had a lesson or two at St Aidan's. It was mainly the Bible and ethics from what I remember.

 

[PinzaC55]

It's your belief that there isn't a God and that religion is bollocks - but that doesn't mean everyone has to play to your tune in life.

Let that sink in mate.

Too many intolerant and selfish people like you in this world.

Not believing that something (god) exists isn't a belief in itself , it is the default position. So, I don't believe in flying saucers or the Loch Ness Monster because the people who DO believe in those things haven't proved that they do exist. If you want atheists to believe, you should get to work and prove it.

 

[I'm Spartacus]

It's your belief that there isn't a God and that religion is bollocks - but that doesn't mean everyone has to play to your tune in life.

Let that sink in mate.

Too many intolerant and selfish people like you in this world.

To be fair we've had religion rammed down our throats for thousands of years with threats of eternal damnation if you don't tow the party line.

If that's not selfish I don't know what the fuck is?

Personally I'd rather they kept the religious bollocks to Sunday schools or mosques or whatever where you have a choice to be subjected to that (in my opinion) utter f***ing wank.

I'd much rather they use that extra hour teaching them something useful or giving the fat little fuckers an extra pe lesson or some shit.

 

[WHD]

My parents told me there was this man in the sky watching me everywhere and I said "even when I'm on the toilet ?".

Too many intolerant and selfish people

And they're usually religious

 

[Sam Handwich]

Clearly it isn't, it's right there. I'm not picking the fuck out of the grammar, I'm reading the brief.

In RE I was asked to write about things like euthanasia and abortion, I wasn't pilloried for not being against them in my summary when I handed in the work.

If the task was "Write a letter to your parents telling them you want to convert to Islam and why" I'd be agreeing with you and joining in with the outrage. It wasn't, so I'm not.

But thats exactly the point i'm making. If it had been "write an essay on converting to Islam" then, yes, it could have been subjective (pro v anti). The fact that it is "Write a letter" takes the subjectivity out of it. There is only one route to take. Unless " Dear mam and dad, i'm writing you a letter to tell you why I'm not converting to Islam" makes sense to you because it doesn't to me.

 

[Hep]

It's your belief that there isn't a God and that religion is bollocks - but that doesn't mean everyone has to play to your tune in life.

Let that sink in mate.

Too many intolerant and selfish people like you in this world.

No they don't but this is pretty binary, either religion is preached at school or it isn't. I don't mind kids being taught about religion but not to be religious which is what is happening.

So if it's a choice or one of the other, my view is that religion shouldn't be in schools. That does mean everyone has to play to me tune but the alternative is that I have to play to the 'believers' tune. It's one or the other, and given that religion is bollocks I'll strongly advocate that it's taken out of schools.

As I said, if you want to believe in god, teach your own kids with your own time and money, buy keep the feck away from my kids.

 

[cornish mackem]

Just saying that my daughter wanted to go to any place of worship would get me popping a fuse.
I would consider myself a failure at bringing her up to know her own mind and emotionally weak

 

[Hep]

Which school?

Cleadon

As someone who went to several non-faith primary schools in County Durham, between 1995 and 2002, I had to sing hymns in assembly and we were taught the bible.

It wasn’t until I was 8 or 9 that any other faiths were even mentioned.

It’s indoctrination.

100% agree, kids are totally vulnerable at their young ages. We need to keep religious nut and priests as far away from them as possible. Borderline child abuse.

I was only baptised do that I could go to the better schools in the area. I went to Roman Catholic schools but I don't believe we were taught anything about any other religions at all. Although that could just be my memory of something I don't care for.

What sort of society allows this sort of discrimination? It's so disheartening to think we haven't progressed past made up gods to explain things we don't understand.

 

[ErichZann]

Kids should learn about all religions (including religion in pre Christian Europe, which is severely lacking in UK schools btw) but in a objective way.....not by writing a letter pretending you are converting to Islam ffs

 

[Some Random Guy]

But thats exactly the point i'm making. If it had been "write an essay on converting to Islam" then, yes, it could have been subjective (pro v anti). The fact that it is "Write a letter" takes the subjectivity out of it. There is only one route to take. Unless " Dear mam and dad, i'm writing you a letter to tell you why I'm not converting to Islam" makes sense to you because it doesn't to me.

I posted an example pages back, it took a quick google and a minute, my son is a similar age to the lass that got the homework and I think he'd hand in something similar if given that.

There are loads of options though:

Dear Mam and Dad
This is how someone can convert to Islam.
Sincerely,
Bairn

Dear Mam and Dad
This is why some people chose to convert to Islam.
Sincerely,
Bairn

Dear Mam and Dad
This is why I think converting to Islam is daft.
Sincerely,
Bairn

Dear Mam and Dad
This is why I want you to convert to Islam.
Sincerely,
Bairn

To give them the homework in that way seems like an attempt to get them to come up with a reasoned argument at an age where they should be developing the skill to do that, and frankly given the step-dads facebook page I think it could have been good for the lass.

 

[moshpit]

Kids in a secular school like this should be writing letters about Socrates, Spinoza, Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Payne...that's what will help shape them into decent, human beings.

Human beings who hold reason and logic in high regard and not the bloodthirsty, incomprehensible ramblings of a backward, end of days obsessed cult that makes the other two equally backward monotheistic religions look like they were penned by Enid f***ing Blighton.

 

[anth]

No they don't but this is pretty binary, either religion is preached at school or it isn't. I don't mind kids being taught about religion but not to be religious which is what is happening.

So if it's a choice or one of the other, my view is that religion shouldn't be in schools. That does mean everyone has to play to me tune but the alternative is that I have to play to the 'believers' tune. It's one or the other, and given that religion is bollocks I'll strongly advocate that it's taken out of schools.

As I said, if you want to believe in god, teach your own kids with your own time and money, buy keep the feck away from my kids.

here here, religious preaching should be banned from schools. That goes for all of them. By all means teach them that some people believe this and some people believe that, and why they believe those things, and that also goes for teaching about religions that have died out. But making kids pray and teaching them that god created the world is child abuse.

We had a lesson or two at St Aidan's. It was mainly the Bible and ethics from what I remember.

I remember quite a bit more than 2 lessons, i also remember prayer on a morning, prayers on assemblies. having to do RE through to GCSE. I actually liked most of the teacher I had in my 7 years there, but if anyone tells me it is a good school I can quite comfortably rant about why it is actually probably the worst school in the city and why I will never send any children I have there.

 

[AlpineExile]

Kids in a secular school like this should be writing letters about Socrates, Spinoza, Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Payne...that's what will help shape them into decent, human beings.

Human beings who hold reason and logic in high regard and not the bloodthirsty, incomprehensible ramblings of a backward, end of days obsessed cult that makes the other two equally backward monotheistic religions look like they were penned by Enid f***ing Blighton.

And Michael Servetus, the actual discoverer of the circulation of blood and the only man to be condemned to death by both the then Pope and a protestant leader (Jean Calvin) due to the fact that they couldn't stand him besting them at theology.

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

About time they took all religion out of the curriculum completely, there's just no place for it in modern society and is just a waste of education time, kids are there to learn not to be brainwashed.

Agreed.

 

[Some Random Guy]

here here, religious preaching should be banned from schools. That goes for all of them. By all means teach them that some people believe this and some people believe that, and why they believe those things, and that also goes for teaching about religions that have died out. But making kids pray and teaching them that god created the world is child abuse.

I went to a Aidan's and remember my RE teacher often saying "don't take the Bible literally, it's about the moral behind the story", I wasn't taught creationism as fact.

We said prayers in the form class before register like.

 

[mux]

Not believing that something (god) exists isn't a belief in itself , it is the default position. So, I don't believe in flying saucers or the Loch Ness Monster because the people who DO believe in those things haven't proved that they do exist. If you want atheists to believe, you should get to work and prove it.

I'm an atheist for the record mate and agree with the above. My point is there are religious schools and non-religious schools. Sending your child to the nearest one because it is convenient only to then try and change the ENTIRE SCHOOL for your little cherub is selfish and intolerant of everyone else.

There may be people living 10 miles away from the poster I was speaking to who are staunch Christians so have specifically sent their child to that CofE school. For them to be denied getting the education they want for their child because some nimby wants his child educated to his precise requirements and fuck everyone else is a repugnant set of circumstances.

To be fair we've had religion rammed down our throats for thousands of years with threats of eternal damnation if you don't tow the party line.

If that's not selfish I don't know what the fuck is?

Personally I'd rather they kept the religious bollocks to Sunday schools or mosques or whatever where you have a choice to be subjected to that (in my opinion) utter f***ing wank.

I'd much rather they use that extra hour teaching them something useful or giving the fat little fuckers an extra pe lesson or some shit.

I also agree with all of this

 

[den]

I disagree.

thats cool. may our freedom to disagree continue.

 

[mux]

And they're usually religious

I'm intolerant and selfish and I'm an atheist. Now fuck off will ya

No they don't but this is pretty binary, either religion is preached at school or it isn't. I don't mind kids being taught about religion but not to be religious which is what is happening.

So if it's a choice or one of the other, my view is that religion shouldn't be in schools. That does mean everyone has to play to me tune but the alternative is that I have to play to the 'believers' tune. It's one or the other, and given that religion is bollocks I'll strongly advocate that it's taken out of schools.

As I said, if you want to believe in god, teach your own kids with your own time and money, buy keep the feck away from my kids.

I'm an atheist mate.

But as a reasonable and unselfish person if I felt so strongly about not sending my child to a Church of England school then I simply wouldn't. You basically want the convenience of the local school but aren't willing to accept what they do there. Send your kid to the next nearest school that suits you man, it's really simple.