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Chip said:
It's all relative though, £1.25 million is our equivalent of what koeman spent at Everton.

On a side note it looks like they are running the risk of unravelling Pickford as a world class goalkeeping talent. Can't be doing the lads confidence any good leaving a relegated team to join a club that looked like the next big four breakthrough club only for them to do a good job of looking like Sunderland.
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Difference is he had one of the biggest budgets in the Prem and we had pretty much the lowest in the Championship.
 

Sweeper said:
Has Grayson “lost the dressing room”? With the possible exception of Kone I don’t see a group of players that aren’t putting in the effort. I see a group of players that either (i) aren’t good enough or (ii) are chronically low on confidence, following years of getting beat most weeks. The primary exceptions are Grabban and McGeady - two players who Grayson brought in and have hit the ground running.
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good one, if thats what you think great.

does not matter what I think
 
stephen cartwright said:
strange point. Less than 13 this season, having spent £150 million.

that's the point.
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So far more reason for him to go than Grayson given they had one of the biggest budgets in the Prem and we had pretty much the smallest in the Championship....Even taking that into account his sacking is crazy......9 games ago you trusted him with best part of £200 million, now he is so incompetent he has to be sacked?
 
Sweeper said:
In what way is my post a “good one”? I’ve explained clearly why there’s no indication of him having “lost the dressing room” (whatever that stupid cliche means).
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this is an example of how I can't win

its simple, you have explained clearly, which I respond with good one.

plain English, no message in between the lines.

why I'm attracting this constantly, is beyond me.

@Space Hopper an example is this exchange
 
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Once fans accept players have all the power now they'll understand why managers come and go regardless of their credentials.

Mourinho is one of the best managers in the world and won titles and trophies at Chelsea but once the players revolted he was sacked after struggling to make it into the top 10.

Koemans a good manager but he's patchy, done well at Ajax and Southampton but mixed results at Valencia and us. He has a tendancy to fall out with players and once the players throw in the towel he had to go after the summer player recruitment and subsequent lack of a plan/system to fit them in.

Thats why im against the likes of Dyche, he's good at a club like Burnleywhere hes respected, however if he rocked up here with the increased expectations he would need to hit the ground running or he would be on a hiding to nothing like Moyes at Utd.

Ancelotti would be a massive statement of intent and a dream appointment but at the same time he's a similiar type of manager to Koeman in his emotionless style and short term type of appointment, whereas the likes of Tuchel/Silva seem to work more with the players on a personal level and look like long term managers.
 
stephen cartwright said:
this is an example of how I can't win

its simple, you have explained clearly, which I respond with good one.

plain English, no message in between the lines.

why I'm attracting this constantly, is beyond me.

@Space Hopper an example is this exchange
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Precisely - I explained clearly, and you just responded with “good one”. Not exactly making a convincing case.
 
Sweeper said:
Precisely - I explained clearly, and you just responded with “good one”. Not exactly making a convincing case.
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do I need to, your honour?

you made a post, I thought it was a good one.

am I not allowed to say you posted a good one?

I mean if you wish we could debate the meaning of the words, good and one, all night?

I think good means that I thought it was good

I think one means that one post

not sure now though, what should I post?
 
stephen cartwright said:
do I need to, your honour?

you made a post, I thought it was a good one.

am I not allowed to say you posted a good one?

I mean if you wish we could debate the meaning of the words, good and one, all night?

I think good means that I thought it was good

I think one means that one post

not sure now though, what should I post?
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If you agreed woth my post, why didn’t you just say so? In any event, I’m glad to hear it. That’s progress of a kind.
 
EverBlue86 said:
Once fans accept players have all the power now they'll understand why managers come and go regardless of their credentials.

Mourinho is one of the best managers in the world and won titles and trophies at Chelsea but once the players revolted he was sacked after struggling to make it into the top 10.

Koemans a good manager but he's patchy, done well at Ajax and Southampton but mixed results at Valencia and us. He has a tendancy to fall out with players and once the players throw in the towel he had to go after the summer player recruitment and subsequent lack of a plan/system to fit them in.

Thats why im against the likes of Dyche, he's good at a club like Burnleywhere hes respected, however if he rocked up here with the increased expectations he would need to hit the ground running or he would be on a hiding to nothing like Moyes at Utd.

Ancelotti would be a massive statement of intent and a dream appointment but at the same time he's a similiar type of manager to Koeman in his emotionless style and short term type of appointment, whereas the likes of Tuchel/Silva seem to work more with the players on a personal level and look like long term managers.
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Long term?!?

Tuchel walked out on Dortmund after two years and Silva on Hull after a few months, and would be leaving Watford after a couple!

It's just the usual foreign manager fetish
 
Sweeper said:
If you agreed woth my post, why didn’t you just say so? In any event, I’m glad to hear it. That’s progress of a kind.
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I have done, with to be fair, a secret code of, "good one"

I'm posting a smillie, laughing, as that is what I am doing

:lol:

now I'm going to get a dictionary, to check up the definition of good and one, just to make sure I don't upset anyone, when I reply to their posts, with these words.
 
EverBlue86 said:
Once fans accept players have all the power now they'll understand why managers come and go regardless of their credentials.

Mourinho is one of the best managers in the world and won titles and trophies at Chelsea but once the players revolted he was sacked after struggling to make it into the top 10.

Koemans a good manager but he's patchy, done well at Ajax and Southampton but mixed results at Valencia and us. He has a tendancy to fall out with players and once the players throw in the towel he had to go after the summer player recruitment and subsequent lack of a plan/system to fit them in.

Thats why im against the likes of Dyche, he's good at a club like Burnleywhere hes respected, however if he rocked up here with the increased expectations he would need to hit the ground running or he would be on a hiding to nothing like Moyes at Utd.

Ancelotti would be a massive statement of intent and a dream appointment but at the same time he's a similiar type of manager to Koeman in his emotionless style and short term type of appointment, whereas the likes of Tuchel/Silva seem to work more with the players on a personal level and look like long term managers.
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Spot on about player power.
For all Everton done for Bradley I wish you all the best and success.
 
MrBraithwaite said:
Long term?!?

Tuchel walked out on Dortmund after two years and Silva on Hull after a few months, and would be leaving Watford after a couple!

It's just the usual foreign manager fetish
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Tbf to Tuchel he walked out because the owners wouldn't stop that game going on 24 hours after their bus was bombed. I agree with what you say mate but its not just fans that feel this way, todays player's in the top flight are largely ego driven beauts who only perform for someone they respect, as I said Dyche gets respect from his players and they run through walls for him, but those players are largely bottom prem/upper championship level players, is Sandro Ramirez more likely going to play 110% for Tuchel or Dyche?

Thats modern day football for you, the teams that typically are at the top winning trophies seem to chop and change every 2-3 seasons once the prima donna players start to get bored of the training sessions etc, the days of Fergie, Wenger, Moyes having 10 years + stints are long gone.
 
Sweeper said:
It’s not a strange point at all. Koeman walked into a club on the up, spent a fortune and has taken them backwards despite having 14 months and spending £150 over three transfer windows.

Your presumed intention was to hold this sacking up as some rationale for sacking Grayson. He’s walked into a club on a terminal decline, spent about £1m in one transfer window, and had a few months to try and find a way to stop the rot. Fortunately he’s got a clear eye for a bargain, seeing as the players he brought in on that shoestring are the ones scoring our goals.

The situations are not comparable in the slightest.
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There is absolutely no rationale for keeping Grayson. Hopefully last seasons debacle is fresh in Short's mind.

Bagpuss said:
So far more reason for him to go than Grayson given they had one of the biggest budgets in the Prem and we had pretty much the smallest in the Championship....Even taking that into account his sacking is crazy......9 games ago you trusted him with best part of £200 million, now he is so incompetent he has to be sacked?
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You're just a wee pussy who doesn't like sacking incompetent managers. ;):)
 
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EverBlue86 said:
Tbf to Tuchel he walked out because the owners wouldn't stop that game going on 24 hours after their bus was bombed. I agree with what you say mate but its not just fans that feel this way, todays player's in the top flight are largely ego driven beauts who only perform for someone they respect, as I said Dyche gets respect from his players and they run through walls for him, but those players are largely bottom prem/upper championship level players, is Sandro Ramirez more likely going to play 110% for Tuchel or Dyche?

Thats modern day football for you, the teams that typically are at the top winning trophies seem to chop and change every 2-3 seasons once the prima donna players start to get bored of the training sessions etc, the days of Fergie, Wenger, Moyes having 10 years + stints are long gone.
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Well, the likes of Jay Jay Okocha played hard for BSA, Artera worked his socks off for Moyes and Ronaldo did well for Bobby Robson.

I just think British coaches get the short end of the stick, and it is ruining the game.

Everton, for all their limitations, used to have a strong identity and would out perform big spending teams like Spurs and Villa just a few years ago
 
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