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EverBlue86 said:
We have very good players just Koeman didnt know his side, no doubt we'll buy a CF and possibly a CB in january, Coleman and Bolasie will also be back next month and if they return the same players they'll be massive bonuses in terms of pace and directness.

Pickford

Coleman Keane ??? Baines

Gana Schnerderlin

Vlasic Siggurdsson Bolasie

????

Add in a bench of Rooney, Davies, Barkley (if stays) Mccarthy, Mirallas, Klaassan, Lookman, Sandro, Niasse we easily have a squad capable of 7th/8th just need a manager who knows what system he wants to play and hopefully sign those 2 players in those positions outlined in january.
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A waste of a post Marv is a clueless prat who thinks Claudio Bravo is a top keeper :eek::lol:
 
EverBlue86 said:
We have very good players just Koeman didnt know his side, no doubt we'll buy a CF and possibly a CB in january, Coleman and Bolasie will also be back next month and if they return the same players they'll be massive bonuses in terms of pace and directness.

Pickford

Coleman Keane ??? Baines

Gana Schnerderlin

Vlasic Siggurdsson Bolasie

????

Add in a bench of Rooney, Davies, Barkley (if stays) Mccarthy, Mirallas, Klaassan, Lookman, Sandro, Niasse we easily have a squad capable of 7th/8th just need a manager who knows what system he wants to play and hopefully sign those 2 players in those positions outlined in january.
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Pickford, Coleman and Keane are good players.

I think you're totally deluded if you think your squad is good for 7th, or 8th. You look at Palace who are bottom. They have Cabaye, Sakho, Townsend, Zaha, Benteke, Puncheon and Loftus-Cheek. All Premiership clubs have got some quality, and almost every side you look at has a striker who can score goals. Everton don't seem to have any goal scorer. I wont say for certain as I don't know too much about Calvert Lewin or Sandro. However, if they were any good, I think Koeman would have played them. He isn't that bad a manager.

There are some teams that are under-performing, and a managerial change makes sense. There are other clubs who are just in disarray and are trying anything to prompt a response from the players.

Everton's position is clearly far from hopeless, but I think you will go down, unless you buy well in the January window, and you just have to hope that you can keep your head above water until the Jan window.
 
stephen cartwright said:
strange point. Less than 13 this season, having spent £150 million.

that's the point.
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It’s not a strange point at all. Koeman walked into a club on the up, spent a fortune and has taken them backwards despite having 14 months and spending £150 over three transfer windows.

Your presumed intention was to hold this sacking up as some rationale for sacking Grayson. He’s walked into a club on a terminal decline, spent about £1m in one transfer window, and had a few months to try and find a way to stop the rot. Fortunately he’s got a clear eye for a bargain, seeing as the players he brought in on that shoestring are the ones scoring our goals.

The situations are not comparable in the slightest.
 
I am almost convinced anyone could manage Southampton. They are such a well run club with a (mostly) good scouting policy and a fabled youth system. Seem to always sell a player for more than they they buy him and act quickly if a manager looks like he ain't up to it. Southampton were, apparently, not fussed about Koeman leaving and I think he probably got too much credit for his time there...
 
Marv said:
Pickford, Coleman and Keane are good players.

I think you're totally deluded if you think your squad is good for 7th, or 8th. You look at Palace who are bottom. They have Cabaye, Sakho, Townsend, Zaha, Benteke, Puncheon and Loftus-Cheek. All Premiership clubs have got some quality, and almost every side you look at has a striker who can score goals. Everton don't seem to have any goal scorer. I wont say for certain as I don't know too much about Calvert Lewin or Sandro. However, if they were any good, I think Koeman would have played them. He isn't that bad a manager.

There are some teams that are under-performing, and a managerial change makes sense. There are other clubs who are just in disarray and are trying anything to prompt a response from the players.

Everton's position is clearly far from hopeless, but I think you will go down, unless you buy well in the January window, and you just have to hope that you can keep your head above water until the Jan window.
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This lad really is something f***ing else possibly the thickest fuck on the forum :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Sweeper said:
It’s not a strange point at all. Koeman walked into a club on the up, spent a fortune and has taken them backwards despite having 14 months and spending £150 over three transfer windows.

Your presumed intention was to hold this sacking up as some rationale for sacking Grayson. He’s walked into a club on a terminal decline, spent about £1m in one transfer window, and had a few months to try and find a way to stop the rot. Fortunately he’s got a clear eye for a bargain, seeing as the players he brought in on that shoestring are the ones scoring our goals.

The situations are not comparable in the slightest.
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here we go again, assumptions that I have not made

the comparison is this. koeman has failed this season to organise his team in a manner that gives their fans hope and signs of progression. The directors have seen this and chose to act

now Grayson has failed to organise safc in a manner which offers a glimmer of hope to the fans.

the safc owner has chosen not to act. Grayson now has a nigh on full squad to select from, however he is yet to show a clear plan to achieve fourth bottom for safc.

simple. Now read and don't assume. It's all as clear as day
 
stephen cartwright said:
here we go again, assumptions that I have not made

the comparison is this. koeman has failed this season to organise his team in a manner that gives their fans hope and signs of progression. The directors have seen this and chose to act

now Grayson has failed to organise safc in a manner which offers a glimmer of hope to the fans.

the safc owner has chosen not to act. Grayson now has a nigh on full squad to select from, however he is yet to show a clear plan to achieve fourth bottom for safc.

simple. Now read and don't assume. It's all as clear as day
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So you admit to comparing two entirely different situations and trying to pass them off as equivalent, when they are anything but?
 
Marv said:
Pickford, Coleman and Keane are good players.

I think you're totally deluded if you think your squad is good for 7th, or 8th. You look at Palace who are bottom. They have Cabaye, Sakho, Townsend, Zaha, Benteke, Puncheon and Loftus-Cheek. All Premiership clubs have got some quality, and almost every side you look at has a striker who can score goals. Everton don't seem to have any goal scorer. I wont say for certain as I don't know too much about Calvert Lewin or Sandro. However, if they were any good, I think Koeman would have played them. He isn't that bad a manager.

There are some teams that are under-performing, and a managerial change makes sense. There are other clubs who are just in disarray and are trying anything to prompt a response from the players.

Everton's position is clearly far from hopeless, but I think you will go down, unless you buy well in the January window, and you just have to hope that you can keep your head above water until the Jan window.
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I think your very much being selective here, we finished about 15 points clear of 8th place last season and Lukaku's goals accounted for about 9 of those points.

Gana statistically is only bettered by Kante over the past 2 seasons in the CDM position.

Our defence was in or around the top 6 last season

Siggurdsson statistically was one of the best attacking midfielders in the league last season

No team below has improved, the mighty Palace are below us and being honest if we threw big money at Benteke in Janaury do you honestly think he wouldn't jump ship?

Our problem this season has been Koeman has chopped and changed too much and every game its a new formation/system and sadly he's lost the dressing room, obviously the lack of a striker has really hit us and a top centre forward is a priority in january, but if you really think theirs not 3 worse sides in the league is deluded, especially when the sides like Brighton, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Swansea etc start to slide after the usual 10 game or so bounce of the season.
 
Sweeper said:
So you admit to comparing two entirely different situations and trying to pass them off as equivalent, when they are anything but?
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not at all. It's clear what I have said, if you don't like it, or think its bollocks, no problem. Just put me on ignore.

I'm not spending all night explaining something which is straightforward.

EverBlue86 said:
I think your very much being selective here, we finished about 15 points clear of 8th place last season and Lukaku's goals accounted for about 9 of those points.

Gana statistically is only bettered by Kante over the past 2 seasons in the CDM position.

Our defence was in or around the top 6 last season

Siggurdsson statistically was one of the best attacking midfielders in the league last season

No team below has improved, the mighty Palace are below us and being honest if we threw big money at Benteke in Janaury do you honestly think he wouldn't jump ship?

Our problem this season has been Koeman has chopped and changed too much and every game its a new formation/system and sadly he's lost the dressing room, obviously the lack of a striker has really hit us and a top centre forward is a priority in january, but if you really think theirs not 3 worse sides in the league is deluded, especially when the sides like Brighton, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Swansea etc start to slide after the usual 10 game or so bounce of the season.
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@Sweeper. Sound familiar? Lost the dressing room, changing formation every game, lack of a striker.

different level, but same problems

is that ok for you?
 
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EverBlue86 said:
We have very good players just Koeman didnt know his side, no doubt we'll buy a CF and possibly a CB in january, Coleman and Bolasie will also be back next month and if they return the same players they'll be massive bonuses in terms of pace and directness.

Pickford

Coleman Keane ??? Baines

Gana Schnerderlin

Vlasic Siggurdsson Bolasie

????

Add in a bench of Rooney, Davies, Barkley (if stays) Mccarthy, Mirallas, Klaassan, Lookman, Sandro, Niasse we easily have a squad capable of 7th/8th just need a manager who knows what system he wants to play and hopefully sign those 2 players in those positions outlined in january.
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I don't know what that is, but is certainly not an Everton team. Bunch of mercenaries bar a few members of the old guard
 
Sweeper said:
It’s not a strange point at all. Koeman walked into a club on the up, spent a fortune and has taken them backwards despite having 14 months and spending £150 over three transfer windows.

Your presumed intention was to hold this sacking up as some rationale for sacking Grayson. He’s walked into a club on a terminal decline, spent about £1m in one transfer window, and had a few months to try and find a way to stop the rot. Fortunately he’s got a clear eye for a bargain, seeing as the players he brought in on that shoestring are the ones scoring our goals.

The situations are not comparable in the slightest.
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I dunno if on the up is strictly true - they have gone backwards since Moyes left and Martinez instilled his philosophy on the club. Now Lukaku is gone all the underlying problems are magnified

They had money to rejuvenate the team but have done what Spurs did after selling Bale

EverBlue86 said:
I think your very much being selective here, we finished about 15 points clear of 8th place last season and Lukaku's goals accounted for about 9 of those points.

Gana statistically is only bettered by Kante over the past 2 seasons in the CDM position.

Our defence was in or around the top 6 last season

Siggurdsson statistically was one of the best attacking midfielders in the league last season

No team below has improved, the mighty Palace are below us and being honest if we threw big money at Benteke in Janaury do you honestly think he wouldn't jump ship?

Our problem this season has been Koeman has chopped and changed too much and every game its a new formation/system and sadly he's lost the dressing room, obviously the lack of a striker has really hit us and a top centre forward is a priority in january, but if you really think theirs not 3 worse sides in the league is deluded, especially when the sides like Brighton, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Swansea etc start to slide after the usual 10 game or so bounce of the season.
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Statistics do not tell the whole story
 
stephen cartwright said:
not at all. It's clear what I have said, if you don't like it, or think its bollocks, no problem. Just put me on ignore.

I'm not spending all night explaining something which is straightforward.


@Sweeper. Sound familiar? Lost the dressing room, changing formation every game, lack of a striker.

different level, but same problems

is that ok for you?
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Has Grayson “lost the dressing room”? With the possible exception of Kone I don’t see a group of players that aren’t putting in the effort. I see a group of players that either (i) aren’t good enough or (ii) are chronically low on confidence, following years of getting beat most weeks. The primary exceptions are Grabban and McGeady - two players who Grayson brought in and have hit the ground running.
 
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