Grayson: Not worried about being in relegation zone

[Lonz]

Well Moyes was asked who he thought would do a good job ... And Larry has emulated Moyes with aplomb.
Surprise, surprise out of the frying pan into the fire. Iirc this Lonz chappy was all for giving Moyes more time when it was obvious to all he was as out of his depth as Grayson is. Should we give Moyes' clone more time?

It's clear to me that the club is a joke from top to bottom and simply changing the manager wasn't going to be a silver bullet that people thought it was going to be, as is evidenced by our complete lack of turnaround in a poorer league. So yes, I didn't buy in to the thinking that Allardyce had somehow magically fixed the club, like so many others do.

For what it's worth though, I think Grayson should be doing better with what he's got. He doesn't have the track record Moyes did that gave me a bit more confidence that he was up to the job. That said, this isn't Grayson's team yet and he's not really been given any money to spend to turn it into the team he wants it to be. I don't think 10 games with a new group of players is really any great indicator of what a manager's capable of if they're given the time.

 

[jonny gently]

Then what?

Hopefully get somebody who knows what they're doing. Or would you prefer to leave this clueless nacker in charge.

 

[Stockton Mackem]

Hopefully get somebody who knows what they're doing. Or would you prefer to leave this clueless nacker in charge.

Exactly

 

[Geronimo]

If you can keep your head
While those around you lose theirs
Then you probably don't know what is going on my son

 

[ighty seven]

How the fuck are we in this position again? Only worse as we're not even in the Premier League this time.

 

[Binxy]

The mans a fool how many different formations and players out of position has he used so far especially in defence, no the wonder we can't keep a clean sheet.

 

[jonny gently]

It's clear to me that the club is a joke from top to bottom and simply changing the manager wasn't going to be a silver bullet that people thought it was going to be, as is evidenced by our complete lack of turnaround in a poorer league. So yes, I didn't buy in to the thinking that Allardyce had somehow magically fixed the club, like so many others do.

Moyes was the last man that should have got the job; with hindsight of course. Allardyce left us all feeling that we had a good enough squad to at least avoid relegation. I was quite looking forward to the season but Moyes quickly changed all that. I was staggered by his level of incompetence. I certainly didn't see that coming. I would argue that Grayson has actually bought better with buttons than Moyes did with 35 mill more. The trouble is he's as clueless as Moyes in how to coach, manage and pick a team. It hasn't got worse, it's the same shit different manager.

 

[mick8970]

I think he should be worried

I think he should fuck off!

 

[steve30000]

Especially considering that, as a newly relegated side, we should really have been aiming for top 6 despite the lack of investment, so I'd definitely worry about being this shit. Even if we don't go down, there's no chance of us finishing anywhere near where we should have been aiming for.

It'll be another shite, wasted season and then, when we just stop up (which I still think we will) it'll be spun as some sort of a success, a "first step in the long road" instead of what it is, a f***ing disaster and one year nearer to the parachute payments running out.

f***ing bang on

 

[Brexit]

He's trying to take some pressure off the players. Nowt more than that.

 

[steve30000]

I think we will stop up

So we f***ing should. Those players are capable of being better than the bottom 3.
We need someone who has organisational skills, and has good man management. This fucker seems to be winging it.

The guy is out of his depth, not used to this kind of media scrutiny, and simply can't cope with the pressure. He's no different to some of the rabbit in the headlight players

He'll soon come out with "we should know our place"

 

[Horace Cope]

He’s dampening down our expectations. Short will be over the moon with these comments

 

[Lonz]

Moyes was the last man that should have got the job; with hindsight of course. Allardyce left us all feeling that we had a good enough squad to at least avoid relegation. I was quite looking forward to the season but Moyes quickly changed all that. I was staggered by his level of incompetence. I certainly didn't see that coming. I would argue that Grayson has actually bought better with buttons than Moyes did with 35 mill more. The trouble is he's as clueless as Moyes in how to coach, manage and pick a team. It hasn't got worse, it's the same shit different manager.

What that tells me is we've brought players in who don't give a fuck. That and the likes of Cattermole and O'Shea who've been here so long, they're used to losing. It doesn't hurt them enough. There's clearly a culture here that staying up is good enough, but standing still is deemed success. It needs to change before we'll move forward. I've seen plenty of players come in who look like they're up for the challenge then soon drop down to the rest of the squad's tempo.

 

[redgauntlet]

It's clear to me that the club is a joke from top to bottom and simply changing the manager wasn't going to be a silver bullet that people thought it was going to be, as is evidenced by our complete lack of turnaround in a poorer league. So yes, I didn't buy in to the thinking that Allardyce had somehow magically fixed the club, like so many others do.

For what it's worth though, I think Grayson should be doing better with what he's got. He doesn't have the track the record Moyes did that gave me a bit more confidence that he was up to the job. That said, this isn't Grayson's team yet and he's not really been given any money to spend to turn it into the team he wants it to be. I don't think 10 games with a new group of players is really any great indicator of what a manager's capable of if they're given the time.

The keepers he signed are enough evidence that he should go now, not to mention tactics, hoofing it up to hapless, sorry hopeless, Vaughan another of his master signings.

 

[Lonz]

The keepers he signed are enough evidence that he should go now, not to mention tactics, hoofing it up to hapless, sorry hopeless, Vaughan another of his master signings.

The keepers are terrible. But if you sack a manager every time they make a bad signing, everyone would lose their jobs in every transfer window. Grayson has clearly been given no budget and we're all surprised and giving him shit when what he's brought in isn't any good.

 

[redgauntlet]

The keepers are terrible. But if you sack a manager every time they make a bad signing, everyone would lose their jobs in every transfer window. Grayson has clearly been given no budget and we're all surprised and giving him shit when what he's brought in isn't any good.

I only talk sacking when it is absolutely patently obvious that it is not gojng to work. The man has been a disaster, even poor players can be organised into a unit that is better than it parts. Mick MacCarthy, for instance, took us to the play offs, an FA Cup semi final and promotion as champions with not much better.

 

[Binxy]

I only talk sacking when it is absolutely patently obvious that it is not gojng to work. The man has been a disaster, even poor players can be organised into a unit that is better than it parts. Mick MacCarthy, for instance, took us to the play offs, an FA Cup semi final and promotion as champions with not much better.

This squad is better than Micks.

 

[Lonz]

I only talk sacking when it is absolutely patently obvious that it is not gojng to work. The man has been a disaster, even poor players can be organised into a unit that is better than it parts. Mick MacCarthy, for instance, took us to the play offs, an FA Cup semi final and promotion as champions with not much better.

I suppose the real question to ask is, who can we get in who's going to do a better job?

This squad is better than Micks.

McCarthy had goalscorers. We've got Cattermole and N'Dong.

 

[andysafc24]

It's clear to me that the club is a joke from top to bottom and simply changing the manager wasn't going to be a silver bullet that people thought it was going to be, as is evidenced by our complete lack of turnaround in a poorer league. So yes, I didn't buy in to the thinking that Allardyce had somehow magically fixed the club, like so many others do.

For what it's worth though, I think Grayson should be doing better with what he's got. He doesn't have the track record Moyes did that gave me a bit more confidence that he was up to the job. That said, this isn't Grayson's team yet and he's not really been given any money to spend to turn it into the team he wants it to be. I don't think 10 games with a new group of players is really any great indicator of what a manager's capable of if they're given the time.

He didn't spend much money at Preston either, one of his strengths is that he is supposed to get the best out of the players available. I think the problem is that at Preston his errors went unnoticed whereas at Sunderland they get highlighted. Don't think he reacts well to criticism. It has happened at other clubs he has been at, he has normally started in Division One and things have gone well for him, once it starts going wrong it's only a matter of time before he eventually gets sacked.

 

[Lonz]

He didn't spend much money at Preston either, one of his strengths is that he is supposed to get the best out of the players available. I think the problem is that at Preston his errors went unnoticed whereas at Sunderland they get highlighted. Don't think he reacts well to criticism. It has happened at other clubs he has been at, he has normally started in Division One and things have gone well for him, once it starts going wrong it's only a matter of time before he eventually gets sacked.

He was also there for four years, not four months.