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Dick Advocaat first spell

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sproates33 said:
Cant have a bad word said about Dicky like, That Arsenal performance away was legendary :cool: Crying at the end bless him.

Shouldn't have returned though - His transfers didn't really live up to the expectation but he brought the calibre of player (at the time) we were crying out for.

Yedlin, M'Vila, Lens, Borini, all on paper good signings.

To think Allardyce then brought in Kirchoff, Khazri & Kone, got the best out of Defoe (nearer the end) and we literally had a very decent side.

Makes the David Moyes appointment even worse, how on earth did he screw that up so badly. Now all the above aside from Kone have left and we are scraping the barrel with James Vaughan & Lewis Grabban, dear me what a mess. David Moyes should literally never get another job in football. :neutral:
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Summed it up perfectly there
 
sproates33 said:
Cant have a bad word said about Dicky like, That Arsenal performance away was legendary :cool: Crying at the end bless him.

Shouldn't have returned though - His transfers didn't really live up to the expectation but he brought the calibre of player (at the time) we were crying out for.

Yedlin, M'Vila, Lens, Borini, all on paper good signings.

To think Allardyce then brought in Kirchoff, Khazri & Kone, got the best out of Defoe (nearer the end) and we literally had a very decent side.

Makes the David Moyes appointment even worse, how on earth did he screw that up so badly. Now all the above aside from Kone have left and we are scraping the barrel with James Vaughan & Lewis Grabban, dear me what a mess. David Moyes should literally never get another job in football. :neutral:
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We should probably credit Dick with the Kaboul signing as well, although it was only really Sam's arrival and especially his pairing with Kone which brought the best out of the big French lad for us.
 
They should have sacked Poyet a lot sooner and we'd have been fine. The team wasn't that bad just Poyet had drained everyone and ran them into the ground.

Dick did okay here, got lucky in that win over Everton and beat a woeful Newcastle side managed by John Carver

sproates33 said:
Cant have a bad word said about Dicky like, That Arsenal performance away was legendary :cool: Crying at the end bless him.

Shouldn't have returned though - His transfers didn't really live up to the expectation but he brought the calibre of player (at the time) we were crying out for.

Yedlin, M'Vila, Lens, Borini, all on paper good signings.

To think Allardyce then brought in Kirchoff, Khazri & Kone, got the best out of Defoe (nearer the end) and we literally had a very decent side.

Makes the David Moyes appointment even worse, how on earth did he screw that up so badly. Now all the above aside from Kone have left and we are scraping the barrel with James Vaughan & Lewis Grabban, dear me what a mess. David Moyes should literally never get another job in football. :neutral:
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Problem is that we signed players that he didn't want. Yedlin wasn't good enough so didn't get a look in and Dick said he wanted a target man so they sold Wickham and brought in Borini. Having Defoe really hampered the way he wanted us to play imo.
 
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DaveAngel said:
Sorry it's old ground, just waiting for a plane (pathetic)

Watching some old vids. He's tarnished by taking the job full time, how the fuck did he keep that team up.

Deserves more credit for that, 8 or 9 games left, suddenly goes 3 up front with Defoe on the wing, Christ, not for me, but it worked

Benitez is a better manager but big dick is the perfect example of why he failed first year, instant results is what you need then
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Exactly this marra.
 
He did a brilliant job keeping us up and furthermore the way he departed (not taking a payment etc) said a lot about the man.

Like others have said, he knew the players he wanted but he wasn't backed.
 
DaveAngel said:
Sorry it's old ground, just waiting for a plane (pathetic)

Watching some old vids. He's tarnished by taking the job full time, how the fuck did he keep that team up.

Deserves more credit for that, 8 or 9 games left, suddenly goes 3 up front with Defoe on the wing, Christ, not for me, but it worked

Benitez is a better manager but big dick is the perfect example of why he failed first year, instant results is what you need then
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We rode our luck tbf e.g. v Everton away, Soton home, but he kept us up.
Benitez with more games and better players failed.
Just don't get why the mags don't "get it".
 
Lonz said:
New manager bounce. That's all.
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The last one we saw. Allardyce had to fight them all the way to get them going, they didn't even pick up tools for Moyes, and Grayson has followed the pattern. Eventually players realise the club will always sack the manager as the easy option.
 
RedFlag1308 said:
To be fair Lens is a good footballer. He came in expecting a side to be built by Dick and then was dumped in alongside Cattermole and Rodwell and just thought 'what's the point'. Dick left and he was frozen out. On paper he was a good signing, and probably the most talented footballer in the squad until Khazri and Kirchhoff displaced him. I don't really think it's a fair stick to beat Dick with.

What he shouldn't be forgiven for is Johnson getting the armband against Leicester (?). Despicable.
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That is literally matterless
 
mart said:
He was negative long before then.
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His style was a negative style like Katanga but maybe not so boring. He did have us passing it well at 1 point but when we didn’t sign borini and played wickham on the wing I knew it was disaster time, that Southampton game absolutely tore his plan to pieces mind. The villa game was pretty shit also mind but he knew he was gone
 
RedFlag1308 said:
To be fair Lens is a good footballer. He came in expecting a side to be built by Dick and then was dumped in alongside Cattermole and Rodwell and just thought 'what's the point'. Dick left and he was frozen out. On paper he was a good signing, and probably the most talented footballer in the squad until Khazri and Kirchhoff displaced him. I don't really think it's a fair stick to beat Dick with.

What he shouldn't be forgiven for is Johnson getting the armband against Leicester (?). Despicable.
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Maybe it was just that he was bone idle lazy. Given that he has spent his entire career knocking around in shite leagues, I don't really see why he would take that attitude. He just couldn't handle the intensity and high standard of the Premier League. Other than a good goal against West Ham, I can't really remember him doing much at all really.
 
frot said:
Maybe it was just that he was bone idle lazy. Given that he has spent his entire career knocking around in shite leagues, I don't really see why he would take that attitude. He just couldn't handle the intensity and high standard of the Premier League. Other than a good goal against West Ham, I can't really remember him doing much at all really.
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Good point tbh. I think this is probably nearer to the truth than my take on it. I still don't think Dick should be criticised for wanting to bring him in mind, but you're on the money when you highlight that his attitude had never really been tested and that hindered his ability to fit into the prem.
 
With hindsight, the real missed opportunity was Poyet. He did loads of good stuff that needed doing, but a mix of shite signings by a DoF, Poyet’s inability to change, and the impact the Southampton 8-0 seemed to have on him, seemed to leave him totally lost.
 
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