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[Helmerroids]

The last decade has hugely hit Newcastle's reputation outside the NE though, I don't live in the NE any more but have friends who have a fondness for Newcastle due to their success in the 90s so my age of 20-30s it was sort of prime time for young kids to see Ginola et al doing well.

There is still some interest based on that stage of Newcastle success abroad but it will have massively decreased, so the current talk of top 6 clubs getting more TV money won't be helping Newcastle at all and it would take a fair bit of recent success to get the global following it once had.

Shurrup man, wuz divvnt undastand

 

[Lewberry pie]

How can you seriously say that? Of course it is, almost every neutral fan would agree. Pure red specs to suggest otherwise.

Matter of fact based on the size of the stadium alone, just that simple fact of more seats in one stadium compared to the other shows that it factually correct.

It's tiny compared to other income and any club in the south can charge a hell of a lot more for the corporate tickets and make bigger gate income than either of us, it's got nothing to do with red and white specs cause it hinder us more than the mags due to the money in Newcastle.

Sure.

Why would you say that it is?

 

[Sima]

It's tiny compared to other income and any club in the south can charge a hell of a lot more for the corporate tickets and make bigger gate income than either of us, it's got nothing to do with red and white specs cause it hinder us more than the mags due to the money in Newcastle.

Any club, you say?

Bournemouth's gate revenue rose to £5.4m for 2015/16 btw.

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Absolutely laughable to suggest that Newcastle don't have a higher ceiling than Bournemouth.

 

[Lewberry pie]

Any club, you say?

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Absolutely laughable to suggest that Newcastle don't have a higher ceiling than Bournemouth.

I'll take spurs as an example there, smaller stadium, more money due to winning nothing and doing nothing, they've had a few good years after a long time in mid table, now their match day revenue is much more than yours, that's because they're in 1 of the wealthiest towns in the world.

If Bournemouth who are not actually capable of sustainable league football without a backer can make 4 million then it won't take them long to increase their match day income, btw that is their income from the championship, what is it now?

 

[Sima]

Why would you say that it is?

Because I'd hazard a guess that Bournemouth's fanbase will never be as big as ours is. That's just one reason.

Im not getting into any further because you've just claimed that Bournemouth can make bigger gate income than either of us when I've just proven that currently they are absolutely nowhere near.

I'll take spurs as an example there, smaller stadium, more money due to winning nothing and doing nothing, they've had a few good years after a long time in mid table, now their match day revenue is much more than yours, that's because they're in 1 of the wealthiest towns in the world.

If Bournemouth who are not actually capable of sustainable league football without a backer can make 4 million then it won't take them long to increase their match day income, btw that is their income from the championship, what is it now?

Spurs are a club with a great history, man. You can't use them as a case study to suggest Bournemouth will increase their gate revenue exponentially so it matches some of the bigger teams in the league. They would have to charge 4 times as much to their punters to close the gap.

Their gate income for 2015/16 was £5.4m, still a quarter of our £25m for the same period.

 

[willo]

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[Lewberry pie]

Because I'd hazard a guess that Bournemouth's fanbase will never be as big as ours is. That's just one reason.

Im not getting into any further because you've just claimed that Bournemouth can make bigger gate income than either of us when I've just proven that currently they are absolutely nowhere near.

What you actually showed was that Bournemouth make 4 million when in the champions compared to 27 million Newcastle in the premier league

You'll find the gap is not as big now and all Bournemouth would need to do to dramatically shorten the gap is build a new stadium of say 30k capacity and it would fill up with premier league fans and corporate seats getting sold for canny wedge.

Look at West ham man, 27k stadium at the time and the same as Newcastle who have a 52k stadium sold out nearly every week, prawn eating wankers and foreign fans have completely ruined the English league. The premier league is a huge competition eating monster like a Starbucks on every corner.

Because I'd hazard a guess that Bournemouth's fanbase will never be as big as ours is. That's just one reason.

Im not getting into any further because you've just claimed that Bournemouth can make bigger gate income than either of us when I've just proven that currently they are absolutely nowhere near.



Spurs are a club with a great history, man. You can't use them as a case study to suggest Bournemouth will increase their gate revenue exponentially so it matches some of the bigger teams in the league. They would have to charge 4 times as much to their punters to close the gap.

Their gate income for 2015/16 was £5.4m, still a quarter of our £25m for the same period.

But the gap is getting smaller, year on year, if they go down then it won't continue but if they stay up then it will, it's inevitable.

Unless you had an owner looked at you as a sporting adventure rather than a business.

 

[Sima]

What you actually showed was that Bournemouth make 4 million when in the champions compared to 27 million Newcastle in the premier league

You'll find the gap is not as big now and all Bournemouth would need to do to dramatically shorten the gap is build a new stadium of say 30k capacity and it would fill up with premier league fans and corporate seats getting sold for canny wedge.

Look at West ham man, 27k stadium at the time and the same as Newcastle who have a 52k stadium sold out nearly every week, prawn eating wankers and foreign fans have completely ruined the English league. The premier league is a huge competition eating monster like a Starbucks on every corner.

Bournemouth made £5.4m to our £25m in 2015/16. Both teams in the Premier League.

You are right though, the gap isn't as big. Our revenue in 2015/16 was about 460% of what Bournemouth's is compared to 2014/15's 675%

All they need to do now is build a new ground (you've already admitted they need backing of a financier to be sustainable) which will have an unspecified cost (conservatively £100m) and find 30K fans to turn up every week when there is absolutely no evidence to suggest they have this level of regular support (I haven't checked their Wembley attendances or if they have even been for that matter).

Sounds easy.

The capacity of the Boleyn ground was 35K btw, not 27K like you suggest.

 

[Lewberry pie]

Bournemouth made £5.4m to our £25m in 2015/16. Both teams in the Premier League.

You are right though, the gap isn't as big. Our revenue in 2015/16 was about 460% of what Bournemouth's is compared to 2014/15's 675%

All they need to do now is build a new ground (you've already admitted they need backing of a financier to be sustainable) which will have an unspecified cost (conservatively £100m) and find 30K fans to turn up every week when there is absolutely no evidence to suggest they have this level of regular support (I haven't checked their Wembley attendances or if they have even been for that matter).

Sounds easy.

So let's say they build a stadium at double the cost you've suggested, they now have a stadium which holds 25k fans but is absolutely state of the art, theyre in the premier league, in the south of England so the owner doesn't have to travel up to watch his team play all the time, and its cost him or her about half the cost to buy Newcastle or Sunderland.

You seem to think Newcastle doesn't need a backer, they need a huge backer to do anything at all unless they want to be the team they are now, mike Ashley has backed Newcastle to the tune of millions and every year you've been profitable is a load of rubbish accountancy magic btw, if anyone bought the club they'd have to pay the debt off straight away or accept millions in interest payments, with the interest on the loans you would have made losses every year mike Ashley has owned you, an that's with you making huge profits on transfer fees most years.

 

[Sima]

But the gap is getting smaller, year on year, if they go down then it won't continue but if they stay up then it will, it's inevitable.

Unless you had an owner looked at you as a sporting adventure rather than a business.

We could go down to League Two and we'd still make more revenue than Bournemouth do.

When the accounts for 2016/17 come out it's entirely possible that it will widen again, even with us in The Championship.

 

[Binxy]

We could go down to League Two and we'd still make more revenue than Bournemouth do.

When the accounts for 2016/17 come out it's entirely possible that it will widen again, even with us in The Championship.

What a load of shite no the wonder we call them deluded.

 

[Lewberry pie]

We could go down to League Two and we'd still make more revenue than Bournemouth do.

When the accounts for 2016/17 come out it's entirely possible that it will widen again, even with us in The Championship.

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like, I think you'd get good crowd's but you wouldn't make anywhere near what they make, or do you mean just match day stuff?

Btw did those figures you showed include TV appearance payments as match day income?

 

[Sima]

So let's say they build a stadium at double the cost you've suggested, they now have a stadium which holds 25k fans but is absolutely state of the art, theyre in the premier league, in the south of England so the owner doesn't have to travel up to watch his team play all the time, and its cost him or her about half the cost to buy Newcastle or Sunderland.

So it's 25K now?

Dean Court currently holds 11,360, so the new ground will be 2.2 times as big

To hit our £25m revenue, their average ticket price (based on 19 games) would have to go from £25.01 to £52.63. That's if they completely fill it every game.

What a load of shite no the wonder we call them deluded.

I meant gate revenue.

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like, I think you'd get good crowd's but you wouldn't make anywhere near what they make, or do you mean just match day stuff?

Btw did those figures you showed include TV appearance payments as match day income?

Why would I include TV appearance money when your statement was this?

any club in the south can charge a hell of a lot more for the corporate tickets and make bigger gate income than either of us

 

[Lewberry pie]

So it's 25K now?

Dean Court currently holds 11,360, so the new ground will be 2.2 times as big

To hit our £25m revenue, their average ticket price (based on 19 games) would have to go from £25.01 to £52.63. That's if they completely fill it every game.

They'd sell corporate tickets for a lot more the 50 quid then match day tickets would stay pretty much the same, if they stayed in the prem they'd end up with more fans coming every week, it's as simple as that.

 

[Binxy]

So it's 25K now?

Dean Court currently holds 11,360, so the new ground will be 2.2 times as big

To hit our £25m revenue, their average ticket price (based on 19 games) would have to go from £25.01 to £52.63. That's if they completely fill it every game.



I meant gate revenue.



Why would I include TV appearance money when your statement was this?

You reckon you'd get 6 mil in gate receipts in league 2 like?

 

[Lewberry pie]

So it's 25K now?

Dean Court currently holds 11,360, so the new ground will be 2.2 times as big

To hit our £25m revenue, their average ticket price (based on 19 games) would have to go from £25.01 to £52.63. That's if they completely fill it every game.



I meant gate revenue.



Why would I include TV appearance money when your statement was this?

I just wondered if those stats had taken account of match day appearances

 

[Sima]

I just wondered if those stats had taken account of match day appearances

What stats?

 

[Peter123]

If I was looking at a long term investment at a football club and thinking of revenue I don't think I'd be choosing Bournemouth . I think we're off into the realms of fantasy here suggesting the clubs are comparable in terms of revenue potential.
If Spurs are potentially for sale then that's a completely different argument..

 

[Lewberry pie]

@Sima you think I'm doing this to wind you up and I'm not lol, we only made 12 million on your stats which is unbelievable when you consider our crowd's but because Sunderland is a working class city with mainly factory, office and call centre jobs there's not exactly a great demand for 500 pound a match corporate seats with entertainment layed on. So we're far more fucked than you are, I know we have got better at match day income under Ellis short but it's still miles off.

 

[Sima]

They'd sell corporate tickets for a lot more the 50 quid then match day tickets would stay pretty much the same, if they stayed in the prem they'd end up with more fans coming every week, it's as simple as that.

And if we won the league every year we'd extend the ground and double the gap. Hypotheticals...