The Egyptian Pyramids

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theinediblebulk said:
Nah, no need for aliens. But there is a need for technology to get something like that built imo. 70 ton granite blocks perfectly smooth and perfectly straight with perfect 90 degree corners. Not doing that with a copper chisel like. Of all building's built on a North South axis, it's the most accurate. better than modern day observatories. It's less than 1 10th of an inch off being perfectly flat (and that's because the bedrock has moved, not because the building has slipped.). And even before you get to the pyramid itself, the bedrock was carved out perfectly flat and then was slabbed. With slabs weighing about a ton each. We couldn't actually measure how accurate it was until we developed the laser. That is mental. We need a laser to measure something accurately that was made with a plumb line? And it has eight sides, not four and this can only be seen at the equinox with how the shadows fall. Yet I've always been puzzled the most by why it was built without a door.
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What makes this even more strange is that the Mexican pyramids are supposedly the exact same size, have the exact same geometry as the Egyptian pyramids.
 
Dagzd1973 said:
I agree it's a technological marvel. I just don't like the ancient alien hypothesis.

People often make the mistake of thinking that people 3000 years ago were idiot hunter-gatherers who couldn't do shit. The Romans were lifting 300-ton blocks all over the world 1000 years later. The Sumerians had figured out Pythagoras and complex math 1000 years earlier. Architects existed. Mathematicians existed.

Building the Pyramids wasn't impossible, it was just very very hard.
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I've worked on site for a good few years and ran the numbers of the pyramid past loads of people. The one thing they all had in common, no idea how it was built. That's builders who have worked in the building trade their entire life having no clue how a building was built. I understand anyone can sit in an office and do a time and motion study to prove each block was put in place every two and a half minutes (without providing any practical evidence) but I prefer to listen to what a builder has to say. After all, I wouldn't ask an academic to do an extension on a house.

The problem for me is the actual engineering of the building is more advanced than the theory offered for it's construction. Just try and get a piece of granite cut perfectly square and planed perfectly smooth with a copper chisel. No-one has ever demonstrated it. If we today wanted a piece of granite cut perfectly square we wouldn't even be holding the saw, we'd be programming a machine to hold the saw. And the reason for that is because the human body isn't capable of making those sort of accurate cuts. It's truly impossible to do so. The simple fact is the old copper chisel story doesn't hold up.
 
theinediblebulk said:
I've worked on site for a good few years and ran the numbers of the pyramid past loads of people. The one thing they all had in common, no idea how it was built. That's builders who have worked in the building trade their entire life having no clue how a building was built. I understand anyone can sit in an office and do a time and motion study to prove each block was put in place every two and a half minutes (without providing any practical evidence) but I prefer to listen to what a builder has to say. After all, I wouldn't ask an academic to do an extension on a house.

The problem for me is the actual engineering of the building is more advanced than the theory offered for it's construction. Just try and get a piece of granite cut perfectly square and planed perfectly smooth with a copper chisel. No-one has ever demonstrated it. If we today wanted a piece of granite cut perfectly square we wouldn't even be holding the saw, we'd be programming a machine to hold the saw. And the reason for that is because the human body isn't capable of making those sort of accurate cuts. It's truly impossible to do so. The simple fact is the old copper chisel story doesn't hold up.
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You're ignoring the fact that certain methods have been forgotten over the years. Stone Masonry would have been huge back then.

You say it's 'impossible', yet there they are. So not that impossible.
 
theinediblebulk said:
I've worked on site for a good few years and ran the numbers of the pyramid past loads of people. The one thing they all had in common, no idea how it was built. That's builders who have worked in the building trade their entire life having no clue how a building was built. I understand anyone can sit in an office and do a time and motion study to prove each block was put in place every two and a half minutes (without providing any practical evidence) but I prefer to listen to what a builder has to say. After all, I wouldn't ask an academic to do an extension on a house.

The problem for me is the actual engineering of the building is more advanced than the theory offered for it's construction. Just try and get a piece of granite cut perfectly square and planed perfectly smooth with a copper chisel. No-one has ever demonstrated it. If we today wanted a piece of granite cut perfectly square we wouldn't even be holding the saw, we'd be programming a machine to hold the saw. And the reason for that is because the human body isn't capable of making those sort of accurate cuts. It's truly impossible to do so. The simple fact is the old copper chisel story doesn't hold up.
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I’m bleating on about the crystal skulls a bit now but the Mitches Hedges skull was said to have been nigh on impossible to make even with modern day technology (Hewlett Packard tested it in the 70’s apparently), op and behold there’s now some ‘evidence’ to say that the skull is a hoax.

The problem I have with historians, etc is that it seems like a closed shop. You buy into what popular theory or you’re ridiculed. There’s a rabbit offwith the whole pyramid thing like.

MSC said:
Wow
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Is that a sarcastic wow or a genuine wow?
 
Cowvahlo said:
I’m bleating on about the crystal skulls a bit now but the Mitches Hedges skull was said to have been nigh on impossible to make even with modern day technology (Hewlett Packard tested it in the 70’s apparently), op and behold there’s now some ‘evidence’ to say that the skull is a hoax.

The problem I have with historians, etc is that it seems like a closed shop. You buy into what popular theory or you’re ridiculed. There’s a rabbit offwith the whole pyramid thing like.


Is that a sarcastic wow or a genuine wow?
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Genuine mate. Hadn't read any of that story.
 
MSC said:
Genuine mate. Hadn't read any of that story.
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It’s well worth a read, even if you think it’s all bollocks it does give some sort of an umbrella explanation to the aliens/Atlantis/the point of civilisation and why we’re all kernts now.
 
Cowvahlo said:
I’m bleating on about the crystal skulls a bit now but the Mitches Hedges skull was said to have been nigh on impossible to make even with modern day technology (Hewlett Packard tested it in the 70’s apparently), op and behold there’s now some ‘evidence’ to say that the skull is a hoax.

The problem I have with historians, etc is that it seems like a closed shop. You buy into what popular theory or you’re ridiculed. There’s a rabbit offwith the whole pyramid thing like.


Is that a sarcastic wow or a genuine wow?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull#Other_artifacts_of_controversial_origin

"the skull was purchased at a Sotheby's auction by F.A. Mitchell-Hedges in London on Oct. 15, 1943. Shortly thereafter, he discussed the purchase in a letter to his brother."

The claim that it was dug up by his daughter was bullshit.
 
Dagzd1973 said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull#Other_artifacts_of_controversial_origin

"the skull was purchased at a Sotheby's auction by F.A. Mitchell-Hedges in London on Oct. 15, 1943. Shortly thereafter, he discussed the purchase in a letter to his brother."

The claim that it was dug up by his daughter was bullshit.
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Hmm, it’s all interesting stuff, lots of ifs and buts and quite handy that some wifey says it’s was carved in the 30’s even though she’s said probably. Could stuff like this be a smoke screen?
 
Dagzd1973 said:
If I had a penny for everytime someone said that to me I'd have exactly 14 pence. :cool:

It's a habit I picked up reading American physics books. My bad.
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Physics books? :lol:
Like My First Creationist Christmas or Astronomy for people who can't spell Theatre.

Cowvahlo said:
I’m bleating on about the crystal skulls a bit now but the Mitches Hedges skull was said to have been nigh on impossible to make even with modern day technology (Hewlett Packard tested it in the 70’s apparently), op and behold there’s now some ‘evidence’ to say that the skull is a hoax.

The problem I have with historians, etc is that it seems like a closed shop. You buy into what popular theory or you’re ridiculed. There’s a rabbit offwith the whole pyramid thing like.


Is that a sarcastic wow or a genuine wow?
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Modern technology can make a vodka bottle in the shape of of a skull or a shrunken head style bottle of rum. It's the 21st century.
 
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muggboots said:
Physics books? :lol:
Like My First Creationist Christmas or Astronomy for people who can't spell Theatre.


Modern technology can make a vodka bottle in the shape of of a skull or a shrunken head style bottle of rum. It's the 21st century.
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Allegedly this wasn’t modern my lovely little chimpster, surely even by 30’s technology it would have been a big ask?
 
Sussex By The Sea said:
Plato wrote about Atlantis.

I for one have an open mind about this.
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Plato got the story of Atlantis sinking from Solon who got it from an Egyptian priest and dates it circa 10500BCE. Same time as the Younger Dryass which was some serious climate change death shit. Same time as a cometary impact took out the two mile thick ice sheet covering North America casing catastrophic flooding, both locally off the melting ice sheet and further afield off all the ice being blasted into the atmosphere. That kind of impact would cause weeks of rain. Bizarrely, Noah who had warning of coming catastrophe built a big boat and had a bit sail around before landing on the Ararat mountain range. Slightly south of this range is a little place called Tobleki Tepi where some hunter gatherers built a series of stone circles and buried them on purpose. That's dated to about 9500BCE. I think they buried them on purpose as they were the survivors of said cataclysm and had just seen everything wiped out and wanted to preserve something of their culture.

And if you want to know where the comets came from, think of the Taurids. Takes us three weeks to pass through what is now effectively a dust cloud and that's about 30 million miles of travel. Round about 30,000 to 20,000 years ago it wasn't a dust cloud but rather a big fuck off comet that broke up, giving us comet Encke and the Taurids. So we have passed through that debris from that break up about 20,000 to 30,000 times since then, and it's obvious that earlier in that process the chunks of rock would be bigger. And a lot more deadly.
 
theinediblebulk said:
Plato got the story of Atlantis sinking from Solon who got it from an Egyptian priest and dates it circa 10500BCE. Same time as the Younger Dryass which was some serious climate change death shit. Same time as a cometary impact took out the two mile thick ice sheet covering North America casing catastrophic flooding, both locally off the melting ice sheet and further afield off all the ice being blasted into the atmosphere. That kind of impact would cause weeks of rain. Bizarrely, Noah who had warning of coming catastrophe built a big boat and had a bit sail around before landing on the Ararat mountain range. Slightly south of this range is a little place called Tobleki Tepi where some hunter gatherers built a series of stone circles and buried them on purpose. That's dated to about 9500BCE. I think they buried them on purpose as they were the survivors of said cataclysm and had just seen everything wiped out and wanted to preserve something of their culture.

And if you want to know where the comets came from, think of the Taurids. Takes us three weeks to pass through what is now effectively a dust cloud and that's about 30 million miles of travel. Round about 30,000 to 20,000 years ago it wasn't a dust cloud but rather a big fuck off comet that broke up, giving us comet Encke and the Taurids. So we have passed through that debris from that break up about 20,000 to 30,000 times since then, and it's obvious that earlier in that process the chunks of rock would be bigger. And a lot more deadly.
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I love Graham Hancock too, but you need to take a step back and not regurgitate his 'theory' as fact. Even he often reiterates it's just a theory. There's no evidence to suggest an advanced civilisation spread knowledge across the globe post-Younger Dryas, and some of his work is just (sorry) lies. He does lie. His 'ancient map' theory is mostly bullshit.
 
Cowvahlo said:
What makes this even more strange is that the Mexican pyramids are supposedly the exact same size, have the exact same geometry as the Egyptian pyramids.
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I have no bother thinking there was a global civilisation in the past. Every place in the world has that story, from South America to China. It's only whitey west man that says that's all bollocks and in the 250,000 years humans have been around, it's only recently since smarty white man came on the scene that a global civilisation was achieved. Them fuckers around the world were too f***ing thick and lacked the imagination to follow the equatorial currents between Africa and South America and certainly lacked any sort of inquisitiveness when something strange was washed ashore as that story goes, which I find to be a steaming pile of horseshit. If you take the period from about 150,000 years ago to about 12,500 years ago, you have a geologically stable system and no reason why civilisation and technology couldn't develop as they had the time, stability and brains to do so. Northern Europe was under two miles of ice at this point so that might be why it has a problem accepting anything other than loin cloth man was going on at this time.

Dagzd1973 said:
You're ignoring the fact that certain methods have been forgotten over the years. Stone Masonry would have been huge back then.

You say it's 'impossible', yet there they are. So not that impossible.
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So basically you're saying you don't know how they were built then seeing as they were using techniques lost to the mists of time. I mean, if you can't identify what technique was used to build them how can you claim to know how they were built.

I never said it's impossible, please quote me and read me accurately. Go back and see what I actually said.
 
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Think its great that even with our modern day technology we really have no idea how the pyramids were built...or even who built them. And that new discoveries are being found all the time.

Went to the museum of antiquity years ago and remember the guide getting angry when someone asked him about the slaves that built the pyramids...a fact that has been disproven. He also mentioned there are so many uncatalogued artifacts that it might take 10-20 years to work through them.

Don't think aliens were involved like :)
 
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