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MrOompapa said:
As the owner and chairman Short has to take some responsibility for it all, it's not as if it happened beyond his control or influence is it.

He made very poor appointments within the club's executive, surrounding himself with individuals who through the past few years oversaw absolutely disastrous player recruitment, club strategy and contracting, leading to a total financial strangulation of our club.

He's then only proceeded to respond to this situation by freezing all the funds and just letting us drop and we haven't found the bottom yet.
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Hindsight is wonderful,rich owners are rarely football people.The one who replaces him after you hound him out could be no better
Moyes,O'neill,De Canio,Keane big football names,hiring and firing to keep us afloat and it worked twice.Now they are doing what they know how to,cutting costs and streamlining.People talk of administration,only major cuts stops stuff like that from becoming a reality.Not a popular choice but essential

clockstandpaddock said:
Exactly. Whoever buys the club needs to pay the asking price, pay the debt and be prepared to take on a business that will probably make huge losses for the next few years.

It's not quite as straightforward as "Short out!"
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They buy the debt more than pay it,any decent businessman will look at the balance sheet and do the same as Short not throw millions in.
 
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JAZZMANB said:
Hindsight is wonderful,rich owners are rarely football people.The one who replaces him after you hound him out could be no better
Moyes,O'neill,De Canio,Keane big football names,hiring and firing to keep us afloat and it worked twice.Now they are doing what they know how to,cutting costs and streamlining.People talk of administration,only major cuts stops stuff like that from becoming a reality.Not a popular choice but essential
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But the rot continued because it wasn't their fault, the club has been badly mismanaged behind the scenes. Short's strategy was literally sack, re-hire, patch the team together through a few loan deals, survive, repeat. It's caught up with us.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but the fact we are in this situation is the accumulation of years of poor decision making and general incompetence. It's not just a money thing, the club's entire morale, spirit, cohesion, is broken. It needs a fresh start.
 
MrOompapa said:
But the rot continued because it wasn't their fault, the club has been badly mismanaged behind the scenes. Short's strategy was literally sack, re-hire, patch the team together through a few loan deals, survive, repeat. It's caught up with us.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but the fact we are in this situation is the accumulation of years of poor decision making and general incompetence. It's not just a money thing, the club's entire morale, spirit, cohesion, is broken. It needs a fresh start.
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:lol:.Haway,i think all the sackings were fair and on paper not bad replacements.Good people will get results out of what they have and crack on.Every club manager could say i want more money,i didn't buy the players etc .tough titty crack on like you said you would in the interview.Look at Pulis,he finds good players and gets them motivated.The Allardyce mess finished us off and that wasn't anyone at the clubs fault.I Would add Shorts handling of Keane was an error but if it wasn't that Keane would have lost his rag about something else at some point
 
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MrOompapa said:
But the rot continued because it wasn't their fault, the club has been badly mismanaged behind the scenes. Short's strategy was literally sack, re-hire, patch the team together through a few loan deals, survive, repeat. It's caught up with us.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but the fact we are in this situation is the accumulation of years of poor decision making and general incompetence. It's not just a money thing, the club's entire morale, spirit, cohesion, is broken. It needs a fresh start.
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I disagree. The managers hold a massive amount of resposibilty for our current position, they wasted millions on shite and produced underperforming teams.

Was Short interfearing with team selections and insisting certain players were bought? It's a total cop out to say it's not their fault.
 
WHD said:
I disagree. The managers hold a massive amount of resposibilty for our current position, they wasted millions on shite and produced underperforming teams.

Was Short interfearing with team selections and insisting certain players were bought? It's a total cop out to say it's not their fault.
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No, but it was the people he appointed to lead player recruitment, Congerton, De-Fanti etc, they were responsible for the ludicrous fees and contract blunders.
 
MrOompapa said:
No, but it was the people he appointed to lead player recruitment, Congerton, De-Fanti etc, they were responsible for the ludicrous fees and contract blunders.
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Yeah, was it Di Fanti who signed Buckley and Bridcutt for Poyet and it was just a coincidence Poyet used to manage them at Brighton?
 
MrOompapa said:
No, but it was the people he appointed to lead player recruitment, Congerton, De-Fanti etc, they were responsible for the ludicrous fees and contract blunders.
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Apart from one season where O'Neill actually turned a transfer profit, the lowest annual cash outflow relating to transfer payments was in the year De Fanti was DoF. He didn't pay ludicrous fees, he just bought the wrong players to fit what Di Canio wanted, and Gus couldn't get them going either. The biggest spender in the last ten years was Keane.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
Apart from one season where O'Neill actually turned a transfer profit, the lowest annual cash outflow relating to transfer payments was in the year De Fanti was DoF. He didn't pay ludicrous fees, he just bought the wrong players to fit what Di Canio wanted, and Gus couldn't get them going either. The biggest spender in the last ten years was Keane.
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Ok figures aside as I understand because of your background that's what you will relate to when assessing his tenure. As a Sunderland fan, would you like Short should gone?
 
Botchie said:
Ok figures aside as I understand because of your background that's what you will relate to when assessing his tenure. As a Sunderland fan, would you like Short should gone?
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In a controlled manner - ie an unforced sale. He's prickly and unpredictable - you need to be very careful about provoking a reaction which is along the lines of "I'll show those ungrateful bastards". The amount of money he's put in is indisputable. When he's hired and fired, at least until the last couple of years, those decisions attracted more far more praise than criticism. Yet, somehow, every decision has had a kind of reverse Midas effect. As a result, we're tired of him, and he seems tired of us. It's a bit like the Labour government of 1979; to quote Jim Callaghan "You know there are times, perhaps once every thirty years, when there is a sea-change in politics. It then does not matter what you say or what you do. There is a shift in what the public wants and what it approves of. I suspect there is now such a sea change and it is for Mrs Thatcher"

One thing is for sure; I can think of few worse ways of moving forward than via the sheer uncertainty of an insolvency process.
 
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