Reports of a vehicle hitting pedestrians on Seven Sisters Road

[hexhamali]

I haven't been to Saudi Arabia, but I know it's a brutal backward country.

I know someone in Pakistan has been sentenced to death for blasphemy on facebook, but I haven't been there either.

Need I go on?

That's the culture of a country surely? The fact is the overwhelming majority of Muslims in this country are the same as you or I

 

[WHD]

Then thats every religion in the world, areyou a non believer?

Some are more backward than others. Which christian countries have the death sentence for blasphemy?

 

[LiverBird]

Some are more backward than others. Which christian countries have the death sentence for blasphemy?

This isnt a competition. If you dont agree with something fair enough. But dont tell others their beliefs are backwards etc.

 

[WHD]

That's the culture of a country surely? The fact is the overwhelming majority of Muslims in this country are the same as you or I

Is it really that difficult to understand? Many different countries have draconian laws which aren't down to the individual country's culture but a basis in the religion they all share.

This isnt a competition. If you dont agree with something fair enough. But dont tell others their beliefs are backwards etc.

I'll say it's backwards if I want to and it is.

You say it isn't a competition, yet you bring up other religions

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

f***ing hell, some people are total (unts.

Yep. Disgusting comments from a load of low life shitbags. Especially stupid because they don't seem to realise that this wankers actions make it more likely that there will be a retaliatory attack and that yet more innocent people, of all faiths and none, will lose their lives.

Thing is (tin hat firmly on) if someone was sick of people preaching hate and seemingly having no action taken against them and ended up targeting a radical hate preacher then I could understand some people saying "fuck him, had it coming" even though personally I'd disagree with it because of the likelihood of escalation. But randomly attacking innocent people? Disgusting that anyone can try and justify it

 

[Linus]

And here is where you're becoming very silly. I have said that if you have professional people coming across then we should fully embrace it, why wouldn't we but are you trying to tell me that has been the case? Of course it hasn't man.

Err...doctors, surgeons? who will help put your stricken body back together? OR will you ask for non-muslims to do it? (if you're in a position to speak)

 

[The King of Um]

f***ing hell, some people are total (unts.

sadly just a very short random sampling from a friend's poke about in some shallow parts of the Facebook gene pool. I am sure there is much, much more like this.

 

[moshpit]

WTF? Tell me you are not serious?

Of course it's not terrorism. It's a random act of violence perpetrated
by a depraved individual.

Terrorism is the use of violence in pursuit of a political or ideological aim. If the Edl for example came out and say he did on behalf of them, then that would be a different kettle of fish.

 

[LiverBird]

Is it really that difficult to understand? Many different countries have draconian laws which aren't down to the individual country's culture but a basis in the religion they all share.


I'll say it's backwards if I want to and it is.

You say it isn't a competition, yet you bring up other religions

It just seems like you're very anti religion, I didnt say you cant have your views. But you dont have to keep appearing in threads like this and stating it over and over.

 

[Morse]

The first part of your post is subjective. I never said the Queen has done nothing for the country. But she doesn't run the country. The government do.

Yes, so why mention her in the same breath as May?

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

Of course it's not terrorism. It's a random act of violence perpetrated
by a depraved individual.

Terrorism is the use of violence in pursuit of a political or ideological aim. If the Edl for example came out and say he did on behalf of them, then that would be a different kettle of fish.

Can't say I agree there mind, you don't need to be a member of a group to be a terrorist. If his personal political or ideological position is "I hate all Muslims, I want them out of this country or dead" then I'd say that pursuing that aim by trying to kill Muslims would meet the definition of using violence to pursue a political or ideological aim, regardless of the fact that he might not have been a paid up member of a group that share those views

 

[Linus]

Of course it's not terrorism. It's a random act of violence perpetrated
by a depraved individual.

Terrorism is the use of violence in pursuit of a political or ideological aim. If the Edl for example came out and say he did on behalf of them, then that would be a different kettle of fish.

Random? He drove from f***ing Cardiff.

 

[kossoff]

Of course it's not terrorism. It's a random act of violence perpetrated
by a depraved individual.

Terrorism is the use of violence in pursuit of a political or ideological aim. If the Edl for example came out and say he did on behalf of them, then that would be a different kettle of fish.

How about the aim to divide sections of society? Or to punish what he perceives are the perpetrators of other attacks?

This is clearly terrorism. But you keep thinking otherwise.

 

[moshpit]

Can't say I agree there mind, you don't need to be a member of a group to be a terrorist. If his personal political or ideological position is "I hate all Muslims, I want them out of this country or dead" then I'd say that pursuing that aim by trying to kill Muslims would meet the definition of using violence to pursue a political or ideological aim, regardless of the fact that he might not have been a paid up member of a group that share those views

I disagree. The IRA were terrorists. ETA and ISIS are terrorists. Some racist, lunatic acting alone isn't a terrorist. Just as the idiots down the town when I was a young un who went out 'paki bashing' weren't terrorists.

 

[moshpit]

How about the aim to divide sections of society? Or to punish what he perceives are the perpetrators of other attacks?

This is clearly terrorism. But you keep thinking otherwise.

The Oxford England dictionary clearly disagrees with your thinking. Mate.

 

[kossoff]

The Oxford England dictionary clearly disagrees with your thinking. Mate.

I'm not sure you're interpreting the dictionary correctly there.

And they say the lefties are loonies.

 

[WHD]

It just seems like you're very anti religion, I didnt say you cant have your views. But you dont have to keep appearing in threads like this and stating it over and over.

I can and I will.

I usually only comment in response to people saying there's nothing wrong with it. Tbf, this attack wasn't even carried out in the name of Islam, it's muslims who are the victims here, yet the thread has went the same way as the other attacks.

sadly just a very short random sampling from a friend's poke about in some shallow parts of the Facebook gene pool. I am sure there is much, much more like this.

It seems some people really do think the answer to innocent people getting murdered is to murder some other innocent people. I despair sometimes.

 

[PinzaC55]

It would be foolish to rule anything out or jump to any conclusions at this stage - admittedly its likely to be exactly as it looks at the moment, but to me there's something just not right about it, the dead man being down already, the actual 'incident' being 300yds away from the Mosque, the van having no visible dents - anyhow, I'll wait for the official outcome rather than jump at any conclusions

@ProfessionalMackem can probably help you out here.

 

[ProfessionalMackem]

It would be foolish to rule anything out or jump to any conclusions at this stage - admittedly its likely to be exactly as it looks at the moment, but to me there's something just not right about it, the dead man being down already, the actual 'incident' being 300yds away from the Mosque, the van having no visible dents - anyhow, I'll wait for the official outcome rather than jump at any conclusions

I was thinking the same thing mate. Something is a bit off with this one. I'm gonna have to read around this a lot more.

 

[GK]

I was thinking the same thing mate. Something is a bit off with this one. I'm gonna have to read around this a lot more.

There's a surprise!