Lets All Laugh At Newcastle (Again!)

[123SunTan]

What a spectacular misunderstanding of context.

"So, in isolation of a decade's worth of context, talk about this specific date in this specific season... in context"

Good grief man, this is the pointless pedantry over my casual use of "everyone" when clearly I should have said "anyone you brought the subject up to and then asked their opinion on".


I'm afraid your colleague Reiver makes pithy comments impossible; his pedantry requires a meticulous use of language.

Now that's it's all over it can be revealed that there was a top secret plan by Sunderland to relegate Newcastle. It took awhile but eventually the other PL clubs agreed to follow our lead. Aston Villa was the last to join. Mission Accomplished.

 

[andysfootball]

surely there's no way that this thread could get to 1/4 of a million posts

surely demonstrating

1. Pure Football is the best forum in British Football.
2. The whole world likes laughing at Newcastle.
3. We should all be congratulated for being SMB's of the highest order.

Part of me will always love Aston Villa only if for two matches in their whole history.

 

[janey]

Now that's it's all over it can be revealed that there was a top secret plan by Sunderland to relegate Newcastle. It took awhile but eventually the other PL clubs agreed to follow our lead. Aston Villa was the last to join. Mission Accomplished.

Haway man someone will pick that up and take it as true and start a petition

 

[The Fish]

They are not my colleagues.

But this is an easy one, 3 points away from safety and you got 5 points out of the 12 available to bottom 6 teams.

We also took 5 points from Spurs, Man City and Liverpool. I'm struggling to fathom why there seems to be so many people unable to understand the simple idea that football seasons can rarely be drilled down to one game or three, it's an accumulation of an entire season of results, plus a panoply of other factors.

For example, Sam Allardyce's Sunderland finished 17th, given the amount spent on the squad and his reputation in football, this is surely a poor season? Well, no, because he didn't buy the majority of the players, he inherited a limited squad which needed strengthening and drilling. See? Context.

 

[Daniels]

surely there's no way that this thread could get to 1/4 of a million posts

surely demonstrating

1. Pure Football is the best forum in British Football.
2. The whole world likes laughing at Newcastle.
3. We should all be congratulated for being SMB's of the highest order.

Part of me will always love Aston Villa only if for two matches in their whole history.

3 surely, there is a beautiful painting in the foyer of the SOL.

We also took 5 points from Spurs, Man City and Liverpool. I'm struggling to fathom why there seems to be so many people unable to understand the simple idea that football seasons can rarely be drilled down to one game or three, it's an accumulation of an entire season of results, plus a panoply of other factors.

For example, Sam Allardyce's Sunderland finished 17th, given the amount spent on the squad and his reputation in football, this is surely a poor season? Well, no, because he didn't buy the majority of the players, he inherited a limited squad which needed strengthening and drilling. See? Context.

You beat the teams around you to survive. You didn't survive.

 

[janey]

We also took 5 points from Spurs, Man City and Liverpool. I'm struggling to fathom why there seems to be so many people unable to understand the simple idea that football seasons can rarely be drilled down to one game or three, it's an accumulation of an entire season of results, plus a panoply of other factors.

For example, Sam Allardyce's Sunderland finished 17th, given the amount spent on the squad and his reputation in football, this is surely a poor season? Well, no, because he didn't buy the majority of the players, he inherited a limited squad which needed strengthening and drilling. See? Context.

PDC and Dick, less games poorer squad, no chance to strengthen, less time than Rafa to drill, see context

 

[123SunTan]

Haway man someone will pick that up and take it as true and start a petition

It's trending already, as the Sunderland plot has been uncovered.

#BribedByBurton

 

[janey]

It's trending already, as the Sunderland plot has been uncovered.

#BribedByBurton

 

[Mags Stink]

Dear boy, it's not I who is being pedantic, but you. I'm stating that Newcastle United were not relegated because of sunderland's results, they were relegated because of their own. We only accrued 37 points from a season of 38 games. Less than a point a game is going to get any team in trouble. We've failed to address key weaknesses in our side for several transfer windows, we've not appointed an actual manager until too late to fix the broken side that previous incumbents exacerbated .

Yet you are arguing that all of this is irrelevant and the only reason Newcastle United were relegated in the 15/16 season was because Sunderland AFC beat Everton. Quiet now, you're being ridiculous and embarrassing your more reasonable colleagues.


Thanks for the helpful insight.

Are you still flogging this dead horse? Desperate man. Let it go, we relegated you.

 

[Teed]

The Fish.

Logon or register to see this image

 

[Freddie the Greek]

Thanks for the helpful insight.

Nee problem, you needed it.

 

[Pup]

Dear boy, it's not I who is being pedantic, but you. I'm stating that Newcastle United were not relegated because of sunderland's results, they were relegated because of their own. We only accrued 37 points from a season of 38 games. Less than a point a game is going to get any team in trouble. We've failed to address key weaknesses in our side for several transfer windows, we've not appointed an actual manager until too late to fix the broken side that previous incumbents exacerbated .

Yet you are arguing that all of this is irrelevant and the only reason Newcastle United were relegated in the 15/16 season was because Sunderland AFC beat Everton. Quiet now, you're being ridiculous and embarrassing your more reasonable colleagues.


Thanks for the helpful insight.

Aye they were though, if we didnt beat everton and chelsea you would of finished 17th and stayed up.

 

[realnutsport]

Dear boy, it's not I who is being pedantic, but you. I'm stating that Newcastle United were not relegated because of sunderland's results, they were relegated because of their own. We only accrued 37 points from a season of 38 games. Less than a point a game is going to get any team in trouble. We've failed to address key weaknesses in our side for several transfer windows, we've not appointed an actual manager until too late to fix the broken side that previous incumbents exacerbated .

Yet you are arguing that all of this is irrelevant and the only reason Newcastle United were relegated in the 15/16 season was because Sunderland AFC beat Everton. Quiet now, you're being ridiculous and embarrassing your more reasonable colleagues.


Thanks for the helpful insight.

Could you have stayed up if we had lost to Everton? Yes you could. However, we beat Everton and thus relegated you. Fact! Fuck off! Go punch an animal.

 

[The Fish]

3 surely, there is a beautiful painting in the foyer of the SOL.


You beat the teams around you to survive. You didn't survive.

I'm not surely it really matters from where you accrue the points, as long as you get them. If we'd done the double over the bottom six, but lost every other game we could have gone down with a 36 points...

PDC and Dick, less games poorer squad, no chance to strengthen, less time than Rafa to drill, see context

Different types of teams, different types of managers, different seasons, etc. Also, Rafa had no time to strengthen either...

Aye they were though, if we didnt beat everton and chelsea you would of finished 17th and stayed up.

If we had beaten Watford and Everton, we would have stayed up.
Our season wasn't about your success or failure, it was our limitations that were our undoing. Sunderland AFC didn't relegate Newcastle United, Newcastle United relegated Newcastle United.

Could you have stayed up if we had lost to Everton? Yes you could. However, we beat Everton and thus relegated you. Fact! Fuck off! Go punch an animal.

Well who am I to argue with such well argued, high concept reason

When do the more reasonable Sunderland fans appear? Is it after elevenses?

 

[Wizards Sleeve]

It's like a fly laughing at the person pulling it's wings off

This fish knacker is in utter denial, just will not accept that we sent them down. He's rather pathetic.

 

[janey]

I'm not surely it really matters from where you accrue the points, as long as you get them. If we'd done the double over the bottom six, but lost every other game we could have gone down with a 36 points...



Different types of teams, different types of managers, different seasons, etc. Also, Rafa had no time to strengthen either...

Neither did PDC or Dick which was my point about context, you seem to use that word to suit your side of the arguement but it seems to have no use in suggesting otherwise.
So in reply to your suggestion Rafa failed because he didn't have time to strengthen or to rally, I'll ask a couple of simple questions requiring a simple yes or no answer

1. PDC and Dick had less time, yes or no?
2. Neither PDC or Dick were able to strengthen yes or no

In light of your suggestion that Rafa didn't have time to rally if the answer to question 1 was no then that also means Dick and PDC had less time to rally.
It's all about context after all

 

[123SunTan]

I'm not surely it really matters from where you accrue the points, as long as you get them. If we'd done the double over the bottom six, but lost every other game we could have gone down with a 36 points...

When do the more reasonable Sunderland fans appear? Is it after elevenses?

Reasonable fan here (when not in Banter mode). You're thinking like Ashley or an accountant instead of as a football strategist. All points are not equivalent. The mental part (players, fans) is affected by a loss to a relegation rival at the run-in & is especially devastating. Norwich was done after they lost 0-3 to us. And math wise if you change the outcome in a match v relegation rivals the swing is amplified X2. (Even in your own example the reasoning is flawed bc the relegation rivals would have fewer points).

 

[Deleted User 18963]

Neither did PDC or Dick which was my point about context, you seem to use that word to suit your side of the arguement but it seems to have no use in suggesting otherwise.
So in reply to your suggestion Rafa failed because he didn't have time to strengthen or to rally, I'll ask a couple of simple questions requiring a simple yes or no answer

1. PDC and Dick had less time, yes or no?
2. Neither PDC or Dick were able to strengthen yes or no

In light of your suggestion that Rafa didn't have time to rally if the answer to question 1 was no then that also means Dick and PDC had less time to rally.
It's all about context after all

It really is baffling to see Newcastle fans, even the odd logical one, refusing to attach any blame to Rafa. You correctly point out that Dick and PDC were in very similar positions to that of Rafa and they both did far better and achieved the objective of staying in the PL. Also, they did so with a squad that didn't have 80m spent on it. Without the game in hand Rafa had too.

 

[Daniels]

Neither did PDC or Dick which was my point about context, you seem to use that word to suit your side of the arguement but it seems to have no use in suggesting otherwise.
So in reply to your suggestion Rafa failed because he didn't have time to strengthen or to rally, I'll ask a couple of simple questions requiring a simple yes or no answer

1. PDC and Dick had less time, yes or no?
2. Neither PDC or Dick were able to strengthen yes or no

In light of your suggestion that Rafa didn't have time to rally if the answer to question 1 was no then that also means Dick and PDC had less time to rally.
It's all about context after all

No point arguing Fish is either thick as whale spunk or on a wind up.

 

[janey]

It really is baffling to see Newcastle fans, even the odd logical one, refusing to attach any blame to Rafa. You correctly point out that Dick and PDC were in very similar positions to that of Rafa and they both did far better and achieved the objective of staying in the PL. Also, they did so with a squad that didn't have 80m spent on it. Without the game in hand Rafa had too.

Exactly there is no rationalisation with any of their arguements, he used context to defend Rafa, so I went back with a different context and he still argued against it. Maybe he didn't have enough time but it is an absolute fact that PDC and Dick had less with arguably poorer squads.

No point arguing Fish is either thick as whale spunk or on a wind up.

Aye I'm out