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Rafael Benítez

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WackyJackyO said:
Why should I be worried about whether a failed manager who has a contract at a failed club that is playing in the Championship next season?

Benitez has a contract. If he was wanting to stay he would have said so by now. That he hasn't means he wants away, or wants Cashley to say "whatever you want as long as you stay. You can keep as many as you want of the over-priced players we've assembled and who didn't really do much until relegation was achieved.". I can't believe MA would ever say give FSW carte blanche.










......but I hope he does; it would lead to financial failure and a possible further relegation.:lol::lol::lol::lol:
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So you have no interest in our main rivals?

The one we won all those Derby matches against?

Haddaway and shite
 

be interesting to see if he can hack in the lower leagues, however if possible would love nothing more, that him to stuff up and leave them out of the promotion run in and for them to spend as long as possible in the championship or even lower maybe league 1 or 2 :lol::lol:
 
cbwhu said:
I would say don't wish too much gloom and doom on them. We rarely get to play our main rivals, (10 games v Millwall in the last 15 years)

The fun of them being shit wears out a lot quicker than the pain of missing the derby
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I bet the boys from the met don't mind. :lol:
 
cbwhu said:
I would say don't wish too much gloom and doom on them. We rarely get to play our main rivals, (10 games v Millwall in the last 15 years)

The fun of them being shit wears out a lot quicker than the pain of missing the derby
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Are Millwall really your main rivals? That's a bit like Hartlepool being our main rivals. Or is it just a "hooligan" thing?
 
lurker said:
Rafa is holding out for assurances before committing to a long term deal, but looks set to put pen to paper.

Ashley keen to keep him on, the plan is to try and hold onto as many first team players as possible and get promoted at the first time of asking.

High risk strategy from Mike?

Source: someone at the club
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who may not know fuck all except the party line
hope he does stop on....no gaurentees he will build you a decent squad.
wanting to keep hold of players/and them wanting to play in the championship, two different things

be careful what you wish for, benitez might not be the best choice
 
Massive feather in the cap for the most massive clerb in the northeast... sure to make the Championship a top tier league for one season just on their massiveness and top drawer gaffer alone...

It's a good thing too, because english footy is better when there's lots of discussion and media coverage on everyone's favourite second team...
 
WHD said:
Are Millwall really your main rivals? That's a bit like Hartlepool being our main rivals. Or is it just a "hooligan" thing?
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no has a long history before the hooligan bit going back to them being rival dick workers and MIllwall scabs breaking the general strike in the 1920's, the hooligan side undoubtedly added to it, buit was around long before all that

By Oliver Brown

2:59PM BST 28 Aug 2009


It is difficult to imagine two sets of supporters predisposed to go at each other with a more elemental fury than these two.

As rivalries go,
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versus Tottenham does not enter the equation; nor, even, do some of the more notorious enmities in the world game - Galatasaray versus Fenerbahce, for instance.

Indeed, a walk along the approaches to the Ali Sami Yen in Istanbul seems almost a pleasant stroll, compared to running the gauntlet down Green Street.

Tuesday's aberration of a football match was scarcely 10 minutes old by the time
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fans struck up a refrain of, "If you hate Millwall, stand up."

Conventionally this is a mindless rallying call for the hardcore elements, but at Upton Park it was heeded by 20,000 people.

The sad irony was that most were too one-eyed in their aggression to know what they were doing, still less to appreciate how or why such an animus originated.

At one level, this is a rivalry that revels in its illogicality. For a start, West Ham and Millwall are not especially close geographically, and on opposite sides of the Thames. Surely if Millwall are to loathe anyone, they would be better off picking on Crystal Palace, their only South London adversaries of note?

But no, such are the quirks of English tribalism that Palace resort to an age-old feud with Brighton, while Millwall store up all their hostile energies for a trip across the river.

The feeling is mutual: West Ham fans regard Millwall's territory of south Bermondsey as a wasteland; Indian country, if you like. Seldom can Tower Bridge have formed so stark a demarcation.

The roots of such sentiment reside in events of 83 years ago, when an antipathy developed between two shipyards on either side of the Thames.

To the north you had the workforce of the Royal docks (drenched in the claret-and-blue of West Ham) and to the south, the Millwall, London and Surrey docks (Millwall 'til they died). When the Millwall shipyard broke the 1926 dockers' strike, the outrage over the water raised tensions to tipping point.

The significance of the strike, while often invoked, can be overstated. The decline of the docks, coupled with the divergence in league positions of West Ham and Millwall, meant that the two clubs hardly bothered one another in the Thirties and Forties.

Of more recent relevance was the glorification in London of gang warfare, between the Krays in the East End and the Richardsons in the south-east.

Lurid tales abounded of what Reggie Kray did with a carving knife, or what Charlie Richardson was capable of with a bolt cutter.

Inevitably, one offshoot of this was a Sixties culture of bragadoccio on the terraces of the Den and Upton Park, a competition to see who was the better fighter.

Fighting proved to be the order of the day. At the 1972 testimonial in honour of Harry Cripps - renowned Millwall hard man, with a name straight out of a crime novel - there were police horses on the pitch.

An even bleaker turn came in 1976, when Millwall fan Ian Pratt died in a skirmish with West Ham fans at New Cross station that led to his fall under a train.

Leaflets were later handed out in the Den's Cold Blow Lane end with a grainy picture of Pratt and a declaration in capital letters: "A West Ham fan must die next week to avenge him."

And yet to establish a historical rationale for this rivalry seems to confer a dignity upon it that it does not deserve.

If the mayhem of Tuesday night proved anything it was that the fixture has now become a straightforward demolition derby, a mass brawl for those who like nothing better.
 
I reckon that Rafa is buying time to see if Everton can overlook that he is ex-Liverpool.
Can't really see the new investor doing that and getting all the EFC fans on his back from the get go, but until he is categorically told there's no chance he will commit to Ashley.
I bet he is now regretting pissing off SAF over the years anarl, so he has no chance of replacing LVG
 
Reiver said:
If the 4 decent players, they have, say they want to leave he'll be on the next helicopter to the Wirral.

The one's who'd remain, like Shelvey, Riviére & Perez, aren't best suited for the lower leagues.

Mitrovic would go into his shell quicker than a tortoise in a bush fire.
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You need ten of these in the Championship plus a decent goalie.

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lurker said:
So you have no interest in our main rivals?

The one we won all those Derby matches against?

Haddaway and shite
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Oh, Christ, another one who has no sense of irony......and a pathetic line in insults.....and it's "derby" not "Derby", btw.

cbwhu said:
no has a long history before the hooligan bit going back to them being rival dick workers and MIllwall scabs breaking the general strike in the 1920's, the hooligan side undoubtedly added to it, buit was around long before all that

By Oliver Brown

2:59PM BST 28 Aug 2009


It is difficult to imagine two sets of supporters predisposed to go at each other with a more elemental fury than these two.

As rivalries go,
You must be logged on to see external links
versus Tottenham does not enter the equation; nor, even, do some of the more notorious enmities in the world game - Galatasaray versus Fenerbahce, for instance.

Indeed, a walk along the approaches to the Ali Sami Yen in Istanbul seems almost a pleasant stroll, compared to running the gauntlet down Green Street.

Tuesday's aberration of a football match was scarcely 10 minutes old by the time
You must be logged on to see external links
fans struck up a refrain of, "If you hate Millwall, stand up."

Conventionally this is a mindless rallying call for the hardcore elements, but at Upton Park it was heeded by 20,000 people.

The sad irony was that most were too one-eyed in their aggression to know what they were doing, still less to appreciate how or why such an animus originated.

At one level, this is a rivalry that revels in its illogicality. For a start, West Ham and Millwall are not especially close geographically, and on opposite sides of the Thames. Surely if Millwall are to loathe anyone, they would be better off picking on Crystal Palace, their only South London adversaries of note?

But no, such are the quirks of English tribalism that Palace resort to an age-old feud with Brighton, while Millwall store up all their hostile energies for a trip across the river.

The feeling is mutual: West Ham fans regard Millwall's territory of south Bermondsey as a wasteland; Indian country, if you like. Seldom can Tower Bridge have formed so stark a demarcation.

The roots of such sentiment reside in events of 83 years ago, when an antipathy developed between two shipyards on either side of the Thames.

To the north you had the workforce of the Royal docks (drenched in the claret-and-blue of West Ham) and to the south, the Millwall, London and Surrey docks (Millwall 'til they died). When the Millwall shipyard broke the 1926 dockers' strike, the outrage over the water raised tensions to tipping point.

The significance of the strike, while often invoked, can be overstated. The decline of the docks, coupled with the divergence in league positions of West Ham and Millwall, meant that the two clubs hardly bothered one another in the Thirties and Forties.

Of more recent relevance was the glorification in London of gang warfare, between the Krays in the East End and the Richardsons in the south-east.

Lurid tales abounded of what Reggie Kray did with a carving knife, or what Charlie Richardson was capable of with a bolt cutter.

Inevitably, one offshoot of this was a Sixties culture of bragadoccio on the terraces of the Den and Upton Park, a competition to see who was the better fighter.

Fighting proved to be the order of the day. At the 1972 testimonial in honour of Harry Cripps - renowned Millwall hard man, with a name straight out of a crime novel - there were police horses on the pitch.

An even bleaker turn came in 1976, when Millwall fan Ian Pratt died in a skirmish with West Ham fans at New Cross station that led to his fall under a train.

Leaflets were later handed out in the Den's Cold Blow Lane end with a grainy picture of Pratt and a declaration in capital letters: "A West Ham fan must die next week to avenge him."

And yet to establish a historical rationale for this rivalry seems to confer a dignity upon it that it does not deserve.

If the mayhem of Tuesday night proved anything it was that the fixture has now become a straightforward demolition derby, a mass brawl for those who like nothing better.
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Thanks for that. Always interested in any footie history, and there is a tendency towards parochialism on this board.






Now fuck off to your own board.
(Nothing personal:))
 
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GBSAFC said:
who may not know fuck all except the party line
hope he does stop on....no gaurentees he will build you a decent squad.
wanting to keep hold of players/and them wanting to play in the championship, two different things

be careful what you wish for, benitez might not be the best choice
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He's the Messiah man - they won 5-1 yesterday!
 
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