Rafa Out Bingo

[makumstu]

For Benitez to be better than Shteve, he needs to beat Spurs, a draw would give him the same points per game ratio (over the same opponents).

Benitez's points return

Spurs ?
Villa 1
Palace 3
Liverpool 1
Man City 1
Swansea 3
Southampton 0
Norwich 0
Sunderland 1
Leicester 0

McLaren's points return

Spurs 3
Villa 1
Palace 0
Liverpool 3
Man City 0
Swansea 0
Southampton 1
Norwich 3
Sunderland 0
Leicester 0

So lets wait and see what the result against Spurs brings.

A draw and all Benitez has over McLaren is that he lost 2 less games, but also won 1 less game. A loss and Benitez only has the fact they lost 1 less game, but returned less points. A victory and Benitez can sit in an interview and state that he is a better manager than McLaren "FACT".

 

[Reiver]

It will be beyond hilarious if they are wearing those masks on Sunday

What some people don't realise is that there's a 2nd myth on the grassy knoll.

It's now emerging, in the minds of his disciples, that the only reason Messiah Benitez was such a failure is that he was 'brought in too late'.

This, despite the fact that Benitez actually arrived with a game in hand and only -6 GD on us.

By the time Spurs have thrashed them they could finish 7 points behind us with double figures GD.

For Benitez to be better than Shteve, he needs to beat Spurs, a draw would give him the same points per game ratio (over the same opponents).

Benitez's points return

Spurs ?
Villa 1
Palace 3
Liverpool 1
Man City 1
Swansea 3
Southampton 0
Norwich 0
Sunderland 1
Leicester 0

McLaren's points return

Spurs 3
Villa 1
Palace 0
Liverpool 3
Man City 0
Swansea 0
Southampton 1
Norwich 3
Sunderland 0
Leicester 0

So lets wait and see what the result against Spurs brings.

A draw and all Benitez has over McLaren is that he lost 2 less games, but also won 1 less game. A loss and Benitez only has the fact they lost 1 less game, but returned less points. A victory and Benitez can sit in an interview and state that he is a better manager than McLaren "FACT".

How man, I've already clearly said 'No facts!'

 

[Dut]

If you want to cherry-pick games it was better than the Bournemouth (H) game.

Cherry pick - Bournemouth - I see what you did there.

 

[BucketBiff]

What some people don't realise is that there's a 2nd myth on the grassy knoll.

It's now emerging, in the minds of his disciples, that the only reason Messiah Benitez was such a failure is that he was 'brought in too late'.

This, despite the fact that Benitez actually arrived with a game in hand and only -6 GD on us.

By the time Spurs have thrashed them they could finish 7 points behind us with double figures GD.



How man, I've already clearly said 'No facts!'

It's f***ing brilliant. They want him because he ticks the only box that matters to them. A big name.

 

[Veryoldrokerender]

What some people don't realise is that there's a 2nd myth on the grassy knoll.

It's now emerging, in the minds of his disciples, that the only reason Messiah Benitez was such a failure is that he was 'brought in too late'.

This, despite the fact that Benitez actually arrived with a game in hand and only -6 GD on us.

By the time Spurs have thrashed them they could finish 7 points behind us with double figures GD.



How man, I've already clearly said 'No facts!'

OK risking the 'no facts' wrath. I think it is interesting that it took Sam a lot of weeks to get his head round the team weaknesses, get some players bought and form a team. Benitez, I suspect in full on arrogant mode (Mag-like) thought he could sort it straight away.

The Leicester lesson is that 'teams' can win without big price players, hope Sam has noticed that because it appears to me we have a 'team'.

 

[Cosmos Rocks]

...... is crystallising.

Bit by bit, thanks to the likes of Thewliss and the rest of the media, the myth is being carved in stone that 'if only Rafa had come in a month earlier' they would've avoided relegation and would now be starting the march to glory ...... well it's bollocks.

Under McClaren the cry was always 'loads of quality, just need a little organisation', I saw it posted on here dozens of times.

When Benitez was appointed he repeated that 'fact' and pointed out why they would stay up. "We need to give the players confidence. I know we have ability,” he says, "I’m here because I believe we’re good enough to stay in the Premier League.”

He was given huge wages and an open hand to do whatever it took to save the club from relegation.
He said he could do the job, with that squad, in the time he had.
Tufty was derided for insisting they were improving ......... Newcastle were rubbish against Villa but it isn't the fault of the latest Messiah, no sir.

In reality, whatever the claims that he's 'tightened up the defence' or 'instilled a new ethic' they're still shite.

The facts, rather than the fiction, are that since he arrived Newcastle have failed against Sunderland, Norwich & Villa. The new improved defence conceded 8 goals in the 3 away games before Villa and they only managed 3 on target shots at Villa Park ........ Villa had conceded an average of 3 goals in the 5 previous games.

In a game Newcastle simply had to win, Benitez got the tactics, selection and substitutions wrong.

So now Ashley has to take the blame, as usual, because King Rafa was 'brought in too late'.

I truly hope he stays, as everyone seems to be praying for, and makes a complete fuck up as he's done so far.

His record there isnt that good when you think of the impact of the managers we have appointed in recent times near the end of the season.

The jordis seem to have anointed him as the new Messiah but i cant say Im too bothered. The manager they really need is in the BSA mould but they are too full of themselves and arrogant to admit that.

Surprised they havent went down the jordi route for their next Messiah though. The John Carver / Lee Clark dream ticket could easily be sorted if Carver could be persuaded to lower his sights and manage in the championship. And if you didnt know Carver used to work with Sir Bobby.

 

[1more]

The same could be said of us though, and i imagine Norwich.

We conceded in last seconds at home to Everton having done enough to deserve a draw.
We conceded in last seconds against Norwich when the ref could quite easily have given 'hand ball' against Howson (i think) in the build up.
Lost to a really unlucky own goal against Arsenal, despite having 10 men.
Certainly should have beaten City.

Yes we had some luck at Bournemouth and were mildly fortunate at Spurs!!

These things do tend to even out though and over 38 games we have not been good enough. Simple as that.

I'm not talking about bad look mate, they are examples of where we dropped points because we let teams off the hook.

You's were very lucky to get a draw against us at your place, as were WBA.

West Ham away and Man City at home are other example's of games we should have taken points from.

I don't think there will many of your games when Rafa was in-charge of, you can say the same about, correct me if I'm wrong though?

 

[GBSAFC]

what worries me more than him taking him it is that he doesn't

that sounds counter initiative, but in the championship i'd rather have a manager with experience of that league.
the mags could do a lot worse than reappoint Chris hughton who has done pretty well with Brighton and got the mags promoted last time out... he was shat on by them after the fact

when was the last time Benitez managed in a 2nd tier?
more worrying for the mags when was the last time he was allowed to rebuild a squad... Liverpool?
has anybody looked at his transfer policy at Liverpool?

 

[10 Gary Rowells]

Key thing is the mentality of the Newcastle fans - they feel it is only 'World Class' managers who suit them as their natural place is in the Champion's League. The fans have always been complicit in Newcastle's underachievement - they clamoured for the dismissal of Bobby Robson (this will of course be denied by Mags) but more importantly Allardyce was not good enough for them, Pardew was not good enough for them and Hughton was not good enough for them. Its a fair argument that had they any of those 3 they wouldn't be relegated now. But they have to have a 'World Class Manager'. It would be best for all concerned for them to keep Rafa and let him struggle in the blood and guts of the Championship. Personally I think they'd be far better off with Pearson or Moyes. We here in the NE suit 'meat and potato' managers like Allardyce, Reid or even Robson but Newcastle fans labour under the delusion that they are actually more cosmopolitan than us, and suffer accordingly.

 

[Howard the Duck]

For Benitez to be better than Shteve, he needs to beat Spurs, a draw would give him the same points per game ratio (over the same opponents).

Benitez's points return

Spurs ?
Villa 1
Palace 3
Liverpool 1
Man City 1
Swansea 3
Southampton 0
Norwich 0
Sunderland 1
Leicester 0

McLaren's points return

Spurs 3
Villa 1
Palace 0
Liverpool 3
Man City 0
Swansea 0
Southampton 1
Norwich 3
Sunderland 0
Leicester 0

So lets wait and see what the result against Spurs brings.

A draw and all Benitez has over McLaren is that he lost 2 less games, but also won 1 less game. A loss and Benitez only has the fact they lost 1 less game, but returned less points. A victory and Benitez can sit in an interview and state that he is a better manager than McLaren "FACT".

Aye, but the squad of players were better than their performances under McClaren suggested, he should have been getting more out of them and all they need was someone to organise them.
Whereas the squad of players Benitez had to work with weren't good enough for survival, he obviously got the best out of them, got them motivated and got them organised but ultimately Mike Ashley's conspired again to fuck over the Geordie Nation.

 

[chuckyroll]

Aye, but the squad of players were better than their performances under McClaren suggested, he should have been getting more out of them and all they need was someone to organise them.
Whereas the squad of players Benitez had to work with weren't good enough for survival, he obviously got the best out of them, got them motivated and got them organised but ultimately Mike Ashley's conspired again to fuck over the Geordie Nation.

But beneathus said he had the quality there yo keep them up .

 

[makumstu]

Aye, but the squad of players were better than their performances under McClaren suggested, he should have been getting more out of them and all they need was someone to organise them.
Whereas the squad of players Benitez had to work with weren't good enough for survival, he obviously got the best out of them, got them motivated and got them organised but ultimately Mike Ashley's conspired again to fuck over the Geordie Nation.

All of McLaren's results were before they won the January Transfer window as well.

 

[Cosmos Rocks]

what worries me more than him taking him it is that he doesn't

that sounds counter initiative, but in the championship i'd rather have a manager with experience of that league.
the mags could do a lot worse than reappoint Chris hughton who has done pretty well with Brighton and got the mags promoted last time out... he was shat on by them after the fact

when was the last time Benitez managed in a 2nd tier?
more worrying for the mags when was the last time he was allowed to rebuild a squad... Liverpool?
has anybody looked at his transfer policy at Liverpool?

He spent a fortune at the scousers and apart from his first season there (with someone elses team) his record was not remarkable.

 

[Reiver]

Key thing is the mentality of the Newcastle fans - they feel it is only 'World Class' managers who suit them as their natural place is in the Champion's League. The fans have always been complicit in Newcastle's underachievement - they clamoured for the dismissal of Bobby Robson (this will of course be denied by Mags) but more importantly Allardyce was not good enough for them, Pardew was not good enough for them and Hughton was not good enough for them. Its a fair argument that had they any of those 3 they wouldn't be relegated now. But they have to have a 'World Class Manager'. It would be best for all concerned for them to keep Rafa and let him struggle in the blood and guts of the Championship. Personally I think they'd be far better off with Pearson or Moyes. We here in the NE suit 'meat and potato' managers like Allardyce, Reid or even Robson but Newcastle fans labour under the delusion that they are actually more cosmopolitan than us, and suffer accordingly.

There's no way Pardew would've relegated this team imo ........ looking back, without the bias, he got an average team playing very well.

He's done the same at Palace and, although he targeted a trophy in place of league form, he's done the same there.

Some of Palace's players are strictly 2nd league but they easily stayed in the PL and are in the FA Cup final.

In fact Newcastle, man for man, have a much better squad than Palace and I doubt many would argue with that

 

[si73]

To be fair Rafa has improved their fortunes. McClaren had a win percentage of just 21%! Rafa has improved this to a whopping 22%.

Also 10 games is not enough time to save a club from relegation. This has been proven by the times we were relegated after appointing di canio (8 games) and Advocaat (9 games). He needed more time.

This all day every day for me.

 

[kdavik]

Sam's start was 9 from 9 but we also had a league cup defeat and we lost the next 2 games.
Pretty similar to Benitez I would think and not significantly better.

Nobody really knows if he would have made a difference if the appointment had been made at the same time as Sam's
What I do know is I'm glad it wasn't and I'm glad he didn't have the advantage of the transfer window.
In hindsight I'm sure Newcastle wished they'd sacked Mclaren earlier, they didn't and the only thing that matters is that he failed in the circumstances.

The assumption that had they pulled clear it would have sent us down in their place isn't necessarily true either imo.
Sam's approach and the attitude to games such as West Brom, Crystal palace, Stoke and even Arsenal might have been different in different circumstances and with different results. We''l never know for sure.
Personally I'd have preferred us both to stay up which strangely hasn't meant I haven't enjoyed this humiliation immensely.

 

[GBSAFC]

He spent a fortune at the scousers and apart from his first season there (with someone elses team) his record was not remarkable.

so the mags will need a rebuild as most of their current sqaud won't drop down.
bring it on

 

[Cosmos Rocks]

so the mags will need a rebuild as most of their current sqaud won't drop down.
bring it on

There is some on canny wages. They were probably too arrogant to insert relegation clauses. Obviously Jack Colback wasnt going to be involved in a relegation battle when leaving Sunderland so i would guess he hasnt one and he is roumured to be on £50k a week.

 

[Tank]

I think Benitez was better than McLaren - still took them down though
I think Benitez was brought in too late - still took them down though

Its not whether he was any better or worse than the wally with the brolly, its whether he was up to the job. Obviously not.

 

[Cosmos Rocks]

What some people don't realise is that there's a 2nd myth on the grassy knoll.

It's now emerging, in the minds of his disciples, that the only reason Messiah Benitez was such a failure is that he was 'brought in too late'.

This, despite the fact that Benitez actually arrived with a game in hand and only -6 GD on us.

By the time Spurs have thrashed them they could finish 7 points behind us with double figures GD.



How man, I've already clearly said 'No facts!'

When they sacked Mclaren John Carver was available. I wonder if he could have done any better? Did you know John carver used to work with Sir Bobby?