Adam Johnson Trial Verdict

[LeicesterMackem]

You're clever you, you know everything ive seen, can you read minds ? found that text that said he admitted fingering her yet ?

You weren't in court. You've read summaries in the papers of some of the arguments, based on what journalists thought would be of interest to readers. The idea that you can decide guilt or innocence when you aren't in court to hear the full range of arguments and counter arguments is ridiculous.

As far as the text is concerned sima posted the report of it on this thread yesterday. The defence said it referred to Johnson kissing the child. The prosecution said it referred to Johnson putting his hands down the child's pants. The jury decided the latter was the case. Because they were in court to hear all of the evidence and the arguments. You weren't.

 

[Deleted member 5265]

It's not about gagging discussion, there is 100's of pages of discussion, it's the fact that the discussion is now going round in circles

With respect janey, you've posted a lot on this thread (as is of course your right, not saying otherwise ), it's right IMHO to allow others to keep going if they want, we don't have to read it if we don't want to.

 

[FanchesterCity]

I get what you're saying mate but there were plenty of people on here who were ITK as far as knowing what the case was based around (not what the outcome was going to be). They tried to explain without saying too much and getting a ban that he did not meet her in a nightclub, the case had gone as far as crown court because the police had evidence from social media on phones about meetings etc. People wouldn't listen.

I'm with you on the innocent until proven guilty thing, but there was always a chance of him being guilty due to the fact the police thought they had enough evidence of wrongdoing to refer it to the CPD. The cops don't take cases to court they don't think they can win, it's a waste of money and looks bad on them.
Again, people were just thick and couldn't fathom this when it was explained to them. There are posters on this thread who were explained all this by myself and others who were spouting that it's nonsense and it's just a lass trying to get money out of him etc and there's no way he'll be found guilty

These same people are now outraged and are blaming everyone but themselves.

I just think not making an opinion and not taking sides, not showing support or being prejudiced against someone when you don't know anything about the allegations is the best way forward in cases like this.

It's tricky that. I agree that people claiming 'ITK' and aren't are a disgrace at the best of times, let alone in a case like this.
It's a dangerous road to go down though on the 'the CPS don't prosecute unless there's something in it' view. People are still innocent at that point. However, personally I'd probably still try to treat someone as I'd always done, but I'd not be offering support above and beyond the norm. I suspect a fair few fans probably 'upped' their support for Johnson - but the motives behind that are so varied it's still hard to condemn them all (imo). I think a few will have upped their support because they knew opposition fans would focus attention on him.

It's all such a mess in the end. One that could have been avoided if Johnson himself hadn't done any of it!

 

[ollie c]

It's not about gagging discussion, there is 100's of pages of discussion, it's the fact that the discussion is now going round in circles

Apparently, 284 pages is not enough. I suppose it might not be, when your sole intent is to get the boot in.

 

[safc78]

So, she's basically in charge of the club as Ellis lives on a different continent.

How many fuck ups have happened during her watch?

Ji playing while not being signed (got away with that when others have been docked points in the past)

Not realising we'd signed a contract to sign Alverez then f***ing up and being left £7 million out of pocket with no player to show for it.

The way she handled the Johnson case

These are just off the top of my head.

Maggie or any of your representatives, if you're reading this, you're useless, you haven't got a clue how to do your job, get the resignation in you arsehole and then please fuck off.

 

[Dogbark]

No, the age is an arbitrary line in the sand, but it's not saying 15 is blameless and 16 is ok... it's not a line measuring the minor, it's a line to measure the adult.
The law draws the line to test the adult's ability to adhere to it, not the minor. If the adult cannot stick to the age limit because they are so desperate for sexual activity, then it should rightly be a concern to the public.

So again, it's not above a minor flicking a switch at 16 and suddenly growing up - we all know that some 15 year olds are very mature, whilst some 16 are immature etc. This 'line' is a test for the adult to not cross is, and Johnson did.

Effectively it is.

Your last paragraph demonstrates how the law and reality aren't completely in sync.

 

[shepherd88]

It's not about gagging discussion, there is 100's of pages of discussion, it's the fact that the discussion is now going round in circles

That's nearly every thread on here

 

[draper]

It is not unusual for an MP to get involved in an important local issue. If Short was intent on moving the 'franchise' to another area you would be demanding that she got involved. She might even get you the answers that the club don't want to give.

 

[johnny kayo]

She will be gone at the end of the season

 

[Reiver]

Precisely. Although there seems to be some on this thread that think the police told the club everything in detail which just isn't true. It would be canny impressive if they did seeing as Johnson hadn't even been interviewed at that point. It even says, quite clearly that 'What he said in interview was still not disclosed to the club.'

I have few facts to support this but, let's face it, that doesn't seem to be a requisite for some people on here.

It's starting to appear as if the police initially went to the club in an attempt to pressurise them into hanging Johnson out to dry.

They seem to have divulged much more information than I believe in usual, or are now claiming to have done.

We're they hoping the club would sack him and leave him isolated? That would certainly have made their job easier and removed doubt in the minds of the public and possibly jury. I can't understand why the police are so keen to go to the BBC and, almost exclusively, talk about what the club knew.

Why aren't they, as they usually do, talking about the convicted person, the conviction and how it was achieved?

There's something that just doesn't smell right.

 

[The Hooded Claw]

Shame he didn't score in the cup final.

 

[Ale taster]

That out of her depth the Premier League have her as a rep.

I am not defending her but do you
really expect her to make decisions in a field she isnt experienced in when so much is at stake for the club. I would imagine the club would have every lawyer under the sun helping them on this one.

Whats really pissing me off though is how every mp, opinionated feminists (especially that Phillipson woman) and half whit mags are coming out from under their rocks to criticise our club when they know fuck all.

Hopefully their 15 mins is nearly up.

My guess is that this will even be beyond the capabilities of the clubs normal Newcastle based preferred law firm.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Spot on apart from the fuck wit comment. He wanted sex with a 15 year old, he's a pervert.

I'd make one distinction on that... but it's an important one:

There is a difference between a man who wants sex with someone BECAUSE they are 15 and one who wants sex with someone DESPITE them being 15. The former suggest a predilection for minors, whilst the latter suggest a lack of will power and moral responsibility.

 

[safc78]

It's tricky that. I agree that people claiming 'ITK' and aren't are a disgrace at the best of times, let alone in a case like this.
It's a dangerous road to go down though on the 'the CPS don't prosecute unless there's something in it' view. People are still innocent at that point.

Yeah but footballers are regularly accused of things like this.

Ronaldo, RVP, Remy, Johnny Evans etc have all been accused of rape in recent years. There wasn't enough (or any evidence) to get these allegations to court.

Johnson's case went to court so it was obvious there was something there for the CPS to work with

 

[Mags Stink]

She will be gone at the end of the season

I doubt that she'll survive this Johnson fiasco to be honest, I think she'll resign as the press aren't going to give up. Good riddance I say, she seems totally out of her depth.

 

[samaistonsrightfoot]

Not sure how culpable she is for Alvarez but since she's been here there's seems to have just been one fuck up after another

 

[Maximus]

So has Maggie Byrne resigned then? - I mean that is what all this is about isn't it?

 

[Ale taster]

I doubt that she'll survive this Johnson fiasco to be honest, I think she'll resign as the press aren't going to give up. Good riddance I say, she seems totally out of her depth.

Evening young'un.

 

[Littlerobbieh]

Who do people want to replace her ?

 

[Purrfect South]

Isnt that how they made contact? Didn't she meet him outside the SoL and contact him or whatever they call it on Facebook? I'm nearly sure that was in the case.

I didn't read that, but it could be right.